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24. NOVEMBER 2002-APRIL 2004: THE TOUR BREAKS DOWN, THE END OF GUNS N' ROSES?

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Post by Soulmonster Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:43 pm

HOOKERS & BLOW


The main purpose of this band is to go out and have a good time, and make sure everyone there has a good time.

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With time on his hands, Dizzy started a sideband called Hookers & Blow together with four other musicians including Alex Grossi [Rock Journal, June 3, 2004].



Hookers & Blow



They played their first show at the Cat House in late 2003 [Rock Journal, June 3, 2004]. The name of the band was according to Dizzy "an idea that's been floating around for awhile" and came as a result of him not wanting to name the band after himself [Fitchburg Sentinel, September 19, 2005]. Later on, though, the band name would temporarily be changed to Dizzy Reed's Hollywood Bulldozer [see below].

Yeah, last year we met. There's this place called the Cat Club in L.A. where all of us appear from time to time. I appear there every Thursday with the Starfuckers.

Hollywood Bulldozer has its roots at the Cat Club, a bar on Sunset Boulevard in West Hollywood, Calif., owned by the Stray Cats' Slim Jim Phantom where local musicians jam on cover tunes for nothing more than the fun of it. The group's repertoire includes songs by Led Zeppelin, Ted Nugent, Aerosmith, Blue Oyster Cult and, of course, Guns N' Roses.

I play at this place called the Cat Club on Thursdays. And I also do this thing with Happenin' Harry and the Half-tons [?] which are Sundays at the Cat Club and Wednesdays at this place called the ____. And a couple of the guys that sit in on those sessions approached me about doing some shows on the East coast... umm.. this guy Matt Starr and Alex Grossi- they're both from Connecticut and so I'm I say... sure let's do it. Now when they were booking some shows they wanted to call it the "Dizzy Reed band" ... I'm like 'that's so gay' and so they ask "well... what do you wanna call it then" and I'm like "I dont know... Hookers N Blow" so... it just kind of went from there. And its actually been very successful - very fun doing it.


Being asked if they intend to record an album:

I don't know. We've talked about putting some stuff together. I'm sure we will do something.


In mid-2004, the lineup would be comprised of Alex Grossi on lead guitar, Curtis Longfellow on bass, Troy Patrick Farrell on drums, and vocal duties split between guitar player Matt Starr and keyboardist Dizzy Reed [Rock Journal, August 2, 2004]. In early 2005, the lineup was "guitarist Scotty Griffin, singer/guitarist Matt Starr, bassist Tsuzumi Okai and drummer Troy Patrick Farrell" [Greenwich Time, February 3, 2005].

For their tour in 2004, the band would be renamed to Dizzy Reed's Hollywood Bulldozer:

Yeah, we are going to be going out as Dizzy Reed's Hollywood Bulldozer. As much as I love the name Hookers 'n' Blow, there were some establishments that couldn't handle that name, so it is going to be the Hookers 'n’ Blow tour, but the name of the band is Dizzy Reed's Hollywood Bulldozer.


The band would announce a new tour for November 2008, covering South America and Mexico, which would include Del James [Blabbermouth, September 4, 2008; Blabbermouth, September 9, 2008].


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DIZZY DISCUSSES HIS LONG TENURE IN THE BAND


I really believe in what we're doing.  And I think the longer its gone on, the more I've had to invest in what I'm doing.  I want to see it through.  I still think I have a lot to prove with this band.  I have a lot invested in it and I want to see it happen.  It always seems like its just around the corner that its going to come, so why quit now?  And then you get around the corner, and its around the corner again (Laughs).  But still, at this point, its the same thing: Why quit now?  And I guess I haven't done anything stupid to get fired.

I believe in [Axl], and I believe in what he's doing. I don't know what happened to the other guys. They quit one at a time. That's something I want people to know. They weren't kicked out of the band. They made the decision to leave and they had plenty of opportunities to come back. They walked out on us. And I didn't. I chose to stay, for a lot of reasons. I was at the point where I had put so many years of writing into it. I wanted to see it through. Axl gave me the chance to be in that band, and I am always going to be grateful for that.

I want to see this thing through. I'm going to support [Axl], he gave me my start, and I really want to see this happen. I believe in what we're doing.


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APRIL 29, 2004
SLASH AND DUFF SUE AXL


On April 29, 2004, Slash and Duff filed a lawsuit against Axl [Lawsuit, April 29, 2004]. In the suit Slash and Duff would claim that Axl on August 31, 1995, sent them a written notice informing them that he intended to withdraw from the Guns N' Roses partnership, effective December 30, 1995, and use the name 'Guns N' Roses' for the new group he would create [Lawsuit, April 29, 2004]. Because of this voluntary leaving of the partnership, Duff and Slash would claim to be the sole partners of the partnership as "Remaining Members" and Axl would be a "Terminated Partner" [see previous section about the 1992 partnership agreement] with no rights to participate in or make decisions regarding partnership business matters [Lawsuit, April 29, 2004]. Despite this, according to the lawsuit, Axl had continued to act as if he was a partner, including vetoing the licensing of  Guns N' Roses music in popular culture [Lawsuit, April 29, 2004]. Axl would follow up with a counter-suit.

According to the suit, Axl had vetoed licensing Guns N' Roses songs to half a dozen movies, including "Just Married," "We Were Soldiers," "Death to Smoochie" and "Old School" [Celebrity Justice, May 3, 2004]. Axl had also, according to the suit, refused to license the original version of 'Welcome to the Jungle' to the movie "Black Hawk Down", instead wanted to license a rerecording of the song so as to not have to pay licensing fees to Slash and Duff [Celebrity Justice, May 3, 2004].

When Duff and Slash guested the Howard Stern Show in May 2004, they were asked by a caller why they were suing Axl:

You know what, I don’t even want to get into that.

I mean, I think it’s been kind of throwing a skew of what exactly we are doing. To just kind of outline, it’s... we all own the songs. We never sold our publishing. And Slash and I are actually the only remaining members of Guns N’ Roses. And we’ve been trying to use the songs, like, for good movies, Black Hawk Down, and it got blocked by Axl. [...] So we’re just trying to get the rights to use our songs.

I mean, all things considered, it’s just - it’s a long story, but basically he’s sort of cock blocked everything. It’s gotten to the point of going, “You know what, we appreciate your artistic stance on what goes where, but this is ridiculous.”


In March 2005, it would be reported that the case which was originally intended to be finalized in May 2005, was delayed to November 2005 [Sp1at, March 2, 2005]. In February 2006, it was reported that the case was delayed from March to May, with the trial set to start on May 16. 2006 [HTGTH, February 10, 2006; via Blabbermouth]

The lawsuit was "dismissed without prejudice" before it was to go to court in 2006, and, as we know, Axl continued to act as a partnership member of Guns N' Roses.


EPILOGUE


While researching this lawsuit, copies of the court papers were requested from the relevant courts of California. Unfortunately, the court was unable to find the box with the relevant papers and as of right now it is not possible to investigate Axl's counter-suit, the following discussions, and the reasons for the court dismissal.


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Post by Soulmonster Sun May 16, 2021 1:37 pm

JUNE 22, 2004
HOLLYWOOD ROSE: THE ROOTS OF GUNS N' ROSES


2004: "THE ROOTS OF GUNS N' ROSES"


In early 2004 it would be announced that Cleopatra Records would release the album "The Roots of Guns N' Roses" in June 2004 containing old demos from Hollywood Rose, including some tracks remixed by Gilby and Fred Coury [Brave Words & Bloody Knuckles, March 11, 2004]. Cleopatra had bought five old Hollywood Rose songs from Chris Weber and the record contained the original version of these songs as well as new mixes done by Gilby and Fred Coury.

Chris Weber would explain what happened:

About five years ago when I came back to Los Angeles I wanted to do something with it. No point keeping something under your bed if it's interesting. So I got some interests from some places and then I really didn't do anything. Then my band took off and I went on tour and I was doing records. When things slowed down at the end of last year, for some reason, Vicky Hamilton who was Guns N´ Roses manager back then and I've known here for twenty years, she said that there was this record company called Cleopatra Records and that they might be interested in releasing it. She asked them and they thought it was a great idea. So they offered to buy it and do a deal.


And whose idea it was to use Gilby and Coury for remixing:

Not me! I went in actually because I didn't have versions that at the time were representative of what the tapes were. The best versions were on cassette tapes. I had the master recording so I went in and remixed them pretty much exactly as we did when we mixed them in 1983. But I had to remix them myself as well, because it really wasn't anything you could put on a cd. I didn't do anything special to them, so they´re pretty much true to what you would've heard if it was put on your desk back then. I like some of the remixes and some add something to it.


And Gilby would explain how he got involved:

Basically, people gotta understand this: I have a studio and I do many jobs; mixing, recording – a lot of recordings - and production. That was a favor for a friend, Brian, who is the owner of Cleopatra. He told me, “Gilby, I've got these master tapes, I’m going to release them. I think it’d be great if you mixed them. I know that you don’t play, but please do the mix, because you’re the only one who can do it.” So he brought me the tapes and then he thought that it would be a good idea if Tracii played additional guitar on some parts. So the only thing I did was mixing; nothing more. Plus, I knew the music, so I could do a better job.


Cleopatra had also obtained "mechanical licenses" for three songs that had not been co-written by Weber which would result in sales royalties to Guns N' Roses [Court documents, July 2, 2004].

The Roots Of Guns N’ Roses includes the following tracklisting: Original Demo Versions: ‘Shadow Of Your Love’, ‘Rocker’, ‘Killing Time’, ‘Wreckless Life’ and ‘Anything Goes’. Newly Remixed By Gilby Clarke: ‘Shadow Of Your Love’, ‘Rocker’, ‘Killing Time’, ‘Wreckless Life’ and ‘Anything Goes’. Newly Remixed By Fred Coury: ‘Move To The City’ and ‘Wreckless Life’.


Being asked if Weber had more unreleased material:

There's no more of this and in this format. No more high quality sixteen track masters laying around. I do have some songs on video and other stuff, but I really don't have an intent of doing anything with it.


Just a few days after release announcement, Cleopatra Records would state that the record was on hold and may not come out until November [Brave Words & Bloody Knuckles, March 13, 2004]. But then on June 22, 2004, Cleopatra would indeed release the record.

Johnny Kreis, drummer in Hollywood Rose, would comment on the mixes:

The Fred Coury Mix, is Awesome! it is how I would want HR to sound as if we were still crankin today!...and with Clarke's Mixes, I liked the Tracii Guns cuts!..in fact back in the days, I knew Tracy well!... and really admired his guitar playing!..he's also a really cool person too!




APRIL-JUNE 2004 : THE GUNS N' ROSES PARTNERSHIP TRIES TO STOP THE RELEASE


On April 29, Axl sent a "cease-and-desist" letter to Cleopatra demanding they would halt the release and on May 11 the "mechanical licenses" would be withdrawn [Court documents, July 2, 2004]. On May 14 a letter from Guns N' Roses would clarify that the "mechanical licenses" were rescinded because the album was now titled "The Roots of Guns N' Roses" and not "The Roots of Hollywood Rose" [Court documents, July 2, 2004]. Cleopatra would argue that the title of the album did not infringe on the Guns N’ Roses trademark and that the pictures used did not infringe on Axl's right to publicity [Court documents, July 2, 2004]. On June 8, Guns N' Roses responded by claiming for trademark infringement, false designation of origin, right of publicity, and unfair business practices and they also filed the pending motion seeking a preliminary injunction [Court documents, July 2, 2004]. On June 21, Guns N' Roses filed an emergency motion seeking a temporary restraining order to prevent the planned June 22 release of the album [Court documents, July 2, 2004]. The injunction was denied on July 2 [Court documents, July 2, 2004; AP/Indiana Gazette, July 9, 2004]. On May 23, 2005, the court ruled that Axl, Slash, Duff and Guns N' Roses Music (the defendants in the suit), would pay Cleopatra's legal fees of $24,175.38 [Blabbermouth, May 25, 2005; Court documents, May 24, 2005].

Johnny Kreis was also not happy about the release:

Honestly, I was rather troubled, cause nobody bothered to even try to contact me to let me know that my drum tracks would be released without my consent to the public, and I knew that some people out there would be interested and buy the CD, they don't represent the best of my playing but for that time I was pretty proud of them and they were with my friends, Izzy, Axl and The HR Crew. Now I look back and there's nothing I could have done about the release I have tried to contact the label, to no avail, somebody's makin money off of this CD, and it aint me, not a damn penny!........so that's life in the record biz!...yes! I am bitter about how it went over!.....but I am proud that now the world can hear me Johnny Kreis play drums with Izzy and Axl and Hollywood Rose!


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JUNE 2004
AXL HAS TAKEN OVER PRODUCTION DUTIES


In June 2004, Tommy would say that Axl had now taken over as producer of the record [MTV News, June 9, 2004].


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2003-2007
AXL'S ADDITIONAL LAWSUITS


Axl, Duff, and Slash's 2003 lawsuit against Geffen to stop the Greatest Hits; Duff and Slash's 2004 lawsuit against Axl; and Duff and Slash's 2006 lawsuit against Axl over royalties; are discussed in other chapters.


2006: BEVERLY HILLS CLASSIC CARS


In early 2006, Axl would sue Beverly Hills Classic Cars, claiming that the company owed him money [Associated Press, January 13, 2006]. Axl's lawyer, Howard Weitzman, would make a statement:

Andy Cohen, owner of Beverly Hills Classic Cars defrauded Axl out of more than $150,000. Mr. Cohen sold one of Axl's cars and pocketed the money as well as keeping a $20,000 deposit on two cars he committed to order on Axl's behalf but failed to do so. We are suing to recover the money that Mr. Cohen converted for his own personal use and are asking for punitive damages to be awarded because of the intentional breach of contract and theft committed by the defendants. Over a period of 4 years Axl bought a number of cars from Mr. Cohen and had built what he thought was a trusting relationship with him. It is unfortunate that Mr. Cohen abused that trust and not only failed to deliver on his promises but also took over $150,000 of Axl's money. Axl has reluctantly sued because Mr. Cohen continually represented to Axl over the better part of a year that he would repay the money and broke each promise for repayment leaving Axl no choice but to file this complaint to get his money returned.



2006: ACQUIRE D'ARTE GALLERY


Also in 2006, on September 11, Axl was sued by a Los Angeles art dealer, Acquire d'Arte gallery, who said they had negotiated with a New York art gallery and was able to lower the price of an artwork from $2.65 million to $2.36 million for Axl [New York Daily News, September 20, 2006; Associated Press, September 21, 2006]. The artwork was an Andy Warhol portrait of John Lennon [New York Daily News, September 20, 2006; Associated Press, September 21, 2006]. According to the suit, after agreeing to buy the portrait, Axl paid only $1.21 million [Associated Press, September 21, 2006]. Acquire d'Arte was seeking $1.15 million in damages [Associated Press, September 21, 2006]. Also according to the suit, Axl's "manager and attorney" told the broker that Axl would not pay the remaining balance because he didn't have enough money and "the painting was not worth the price he had agreed to pay" [Associated Press, September 21, 2006].

According to Axl's lawyer, Howard Weitzman, some of the deal's terms and conditions may have been misrepresented to Axl and followed up with:

Axl owes nothing. [He] may be the victim of a fraud or misrepresentation.



2007: GARY ARMIJO


On August 21, 2007, security guard Gary Armijo sued Axl for allegedly having kicked him in the head at the December 20, 2006, show at the Gibson Amphitheatre, Universal City, USA [TMZ, September 13, 2007]. According to the suit, Axl had unprovoked kicked Armijo in the head causing "severe physical injuries" [Lawsuit, August 21, 2007].

Howard Weitzman, Axl's lawyer, commented on the suit:

The allegations in this lawsuit are frivolous. There is video of this incident which contradicts the allegations against Axl. Axl vehemently denies he did anything wrong which will be proven via witnesses and the video. Unfortunately anyone can file a lawsuit whether it has merit or not. In my opinion this is a pathetic attempt to get money from Axl.


This lawsuit was dismissed in April 2009.


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Post by Soulmonster Sun May 16, 2021 1:52 pm

AUGUST 2004
TOMMY LISTENS TO THE FINISHED RECORD


In August, Tommy checked in with (presumably) management to hear the record and give his two cents:

I'll probably be touring this record [=his solo record, Village Gorilla Head] up till the end of the year. Then I'm thinking the GNR record will be coming out real soon after that. Then I'll be touring behind that record. I'm anticipating being on the road for the next year and a half, two years.

[Chinese Democracy] is almost done. Closer than it has ever been, for certain. I went and listened to some of the songs before I left L.A. to make sure my two cents were thrown in, so to speak. I was pretty stoked about it. I heard some really, really great stuff that I hadn't heard in a long time.

Stylistically speaking, if I were to take a stab at it, it would probably be something more focused than Use Your Illusion. I think Use Your Illusion was going in a couple of other musical directions, but not fully realized. I think there were some limitations to where the band was maybe willing to go? That has been taken out of the mix. More focused, but also more diverse. I think the music on the new GN'R record will be a lot more complex, a little more far-reaching probably? As well as there will be some rock there that will be reminiscent of the older records. But for the most part, stylistically speaking, there's a lot more going on. And I would say lyrically, definitely there is a lot more going on than old Guns. There's a lot more introspection, a lot more social commentary involved.

It still exists. There's a record coming -- sooner rather than later -- and six or seven of the songs are earth-shattering. We'll be touring the world the beginning of the new year.

I would imagine they would start mastering it some time in October, November, somewhere in there. I just wanted to make sure I got my two cents in so I couldn't look back and go, 'Dudes, what's up?' And they go, 'Dude, where were you? You didn't say anything!' So I got my two cents in on it.

My two cents was very much like a cent and a half. It's like, all the stuff I heard was phenomenal. I didn't get a chance to listen to all of it, because I was pressed for time. But also I wanted to hear the things I hadn't heard yet. Some of the stuff had been done a while ago and hadn't changed much; I didn't really bother with that. But I wanted to hear all the new stuff and I heard about six things that I hadn't heard finished yet, that were really mind-blowing. A few of the songs are pretty epic in length, but that's always been GN'R's thing, hasn't it? I don't think it's a particularly long album, but I think the six I heard are pretty epic. I mean they are just... fucking huge, you know [laughs]. I think pretty much all of us in the band have some songwriting credits on just about everything. The undertaking was pretty much a large collaboration between eight people, even a couple others who aren't around anymore, but maybe started with pieces of the old band or whatever. But yeah, there is probably a lot to go around with that one

And, keep tuned in because I heard stuff before I left the States, some of the final mixes, or close to final mixes of a bunch of the stuff we've been working on for the record. They sounded epic to me, they sounded fantastic and I'm waiting as patiently as everyone else to make it happen. Honestly, it's gotta be right and when it comes out, it's gonna be at least as right as it is in our eyes.

So, it's definitely very close to being done and when it comes out we're just gonna have to hit the road and do the whole world and have fun with it. I'm just telling you that it's definitely gonna come out.

There's some really beautiful pieces, some really hard pieces, there's some real fucking, you know, somewhat self indulgent creative pieces that people are either gonna love or hate. But they're fucking there because, as an artist that's how you fucking have to make records you know.

I went and listened to it before I came out on the road, just so I could get my two cents in because I'm probably going to be gone when it comes out. [...] [I will be on tour at] least when they finish it up and send it off to mastering. So I had to go put my ear to it. [...] This is [as close as it has been to mastering]. It's coming in for a landing. The landing pad is near.

Just before I came out on this trip, about a month and a half ago, I heard some final mixes. There were about six things that I hadn’t heard yet that were done and sounding epic. And I have a hard-core view of music, but I heard some great stuff. So it’ll be going to mastering and ready very soon.


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2003-2007
THE SAGA OF ADLER'S APPETITE


2003-2005: THE START OF 'ADLER'S APPETITE'


In early 2003 Steven would announce he was putting together a new band:

I have been putting a new band together and the chosen few will be announced this spring. This new band well enable me to get out there and meet all of you fans everywhere once again. It has been 13 years now and it's time for me to come back and rock your world. I am going to make it a point to play everywhere Axl Cancelled. The first show is March 22nd in Las Vegas. We will be playing most of the appetite for destruction LP [...]


A little bit later the name was reported to be Suki Jones and contain the following members: RATT/ex-LOVE/HATE singer Jizzy Pearl, ex-SLASH'S SNAKEPIT guitarist Keri Kelli, FASTER PUSSYCAT guitarist Brent Muscat, and ex-VINCE NEIL/BLACK N' BLUE/RATT bassist Robbie Crane [Blabbermouth, March 1, 2003].

[Steven] came out of a 15-year seclusion in March 2003 to form his latest group when a friend convinced him to return to music after Adler performed with Motley Crue lead singer Vince Neil in Las Vegas. Adler's friend introduced him to bassist Robbie Crane, guitarist Keri Kelli and singer Jizzy Pearl, and the foursome quickly began playing live and recording.


The tour was scheduled to start on March 21, 2003, in Kingman, Arizona [Blabbermouth, March 1, 2003].

In June 2003, the name would be changed to Adler's Appetite because Steven wanted people to know he was in the band [Steven Adler's official website, June 4, 2003].

Actually a friend of ours, Ryan Johnson [came up with the name]... first we had Suki Jones and I was like...eeeehhhhhh and he said, you should call yourselves Adler's Appetite! And we all thought it was a cool name. The name is very important for a band!


When asked if someone had tried to stop him from using 'Adler's Appetite' as the band's name:

Why would they? Axl’s just one original member of Guns N’ Roses who’s now playing with a whole bunch of new people. I’m doing exactly the same thing. At first we called this thing Suki Jones, but Adler’s Appetite is a much stronger name. This band is nothing to do with ripping off Appetite For Destruction, it’s about my own appetite - for getting out there and playing music again.


Steven intended to record an album of original material with his band:

Yes, absolutely. But not for a year or so. I’d want our sound to be more like 60’s and 70’s pop and rock. Right now, I’m enjoying playing the Appetite songs for the people, and we plan on touring doing that as much as possible.


In March 2004 it was reported that the band was working on writing songs for a record:

In other news, Brent Muscat recently bought a house in Vegas, and Jizzy has moved in with him. They will begin writing songs for an original Adler’s Appetite record, which should be finished by late summer and hopefully out by the end of the year.


Talking about the record-in-making and the band:

So far, we've got 10 songs down. I want 20-25 songs to be able to pick from, but everything's been going so great, I've been playing so much. My band — Robbie Crane, Keri Kelli, Brent Muscat, Jizzy Pearl — I've just been having the greatest time with

Well, the band is called Adler’s Appetite and it’s with Kerri Kelly, Robbie Crane, Jizzy Pearl and Brent Muscat. So far, Robbie, Kerri and I have ten songs and we are very pleased. I never realized aside from hearing from the fans how much I was a part on Guns N’ Roses and now I’m recording again. I was scared shitless because I didn't know if I could write songs again. It’s been a long time. Robbie, Kerri, and I went into the studio. We where done in seven hours and we had three songs. The style is Aerosmith, Stones, Guns N’ Roses.

I would like for [the album] to be out on my birthday January 22nd but that’s looking a little bleak. I want to do 20-25 songs just to have a few more to pick from. With Guns N’ Roses, pretty much Appetite and Lies was like that. I would like to put out an E.P just as a teaser.

I was scared to death. I didnt’ know what to expect. I haven’t written a song in over a decade. Working with Robbie Crane and Keri Kelli is such a dream. Those 13 years didn’t hurt…it was like I just picked right back up where I left off. It was so easy…“It’s so fuckin’ easy! I was a little worried about Jizzy. He brought the lyrics in for the record and I’m glad he was never hugely successful in the past. He’s fuckin’ hungry! You can hear it in his words. We played those songs for the first time in Colorado and Utah. We would play G ‘n R songs and everybody knew ‘em. We’d play “Hollywood” from Thin Lizzy and they’d be jumping up and down, screaming. We’d play a song they didn’t know and they’d just stand there. It’s so nice to see people consistently get into it even with the new songs. We played this bar in Aspen. Two girls in the front row took their tops off! This was a bar! At a stadium you expect things like that. It was the funniest thing I’ve ever seen. People were getting into it. When we played “Welcome To The Jungle” people started moshing around. I couldn’t think of better people to be playing with. It was very easy writing the new songs.

Actually Jizzy and I went to the same high school together. Robbie and I and Slash hung out at the same elementary school and we rode skateboards and bikes and smoked weed. In a way we did grow up together.


Steven would also say a few words on getting revenge on his former band mates through his coming success, and how much he disliked Velvet Revolver:

The biggest thing I wanted to do with Slash and Duff and that jackass was revenge. The finest and greatest revenge is success. That’s all I wanted. Slash is gonna hear this record we did and he’s gonna flip. It fucking blows that Velvet Revolver crap away. I love Slash and Duff. I wanna like it but it’s crap. I’ve gone from song to song and I can’t like it. I tried to get Slash to play on a couple of things. He was too busy. I wanted to get a hold of John Sykes for “Hollywood,” but Keri pulled it off. You know him, buddy.


In February 2005, Steven would be touring with Adler's Appetite in Sweden but according to MetalShrine " the Swedish gigs have not been a major audience success" [MetalShrine, February 17, 2005].

We'll have an album out hopefully by May or June, around summertime. And we'll hopefully do some festivals, but if we don't do festivals we're certainly gonna tour worldwide. We're going to Japan soon, in the next two weeks and after that we're going to South America and we wanna come back to Europe and do some festivals.

We're doing the Guns songs and I wrote those songs with Slash and Duff and they´re my songs too. I have every right to play them! Those guys aren't playing them and you're not going to get closer to hearing the album "Appetite..." live. We're doing pretty much everything from "It's so easy" to "Civil war". And you're not gonna get closer to hearing the songs the way they were recorded. I could guarantee if, God bless Axl puts a record out, and when he plays live you're gonna hear those songs because he's so down on that time in his life. Why I don't know and I wish I could knock it out of him, but you're not gonna hear... and plus the band, this great band... the drums and rhythm to those songs... You can't be me! I don't know what the fuck I'm doing! I'm just up there having fun, so it's kind of hard to duplicate what I do because I don´t know what I'm doing and if I don't know what I'm doing, how could anyone else know?


When Gilby was touring Greece with MC5 in 2005, he would be ask about the Adler's Appetite shows:

How did it go? Did it have any attendance at all? [...] Nice setlist, though (laughs). If we played these songs with my band, we would be fantastic. They are great songs, it’s hard to screw them up (laughs). I haven’t seen them, but I know everybody. [...] I know Steven and he’s a good guy. Very amiable. He lost his path a bit, but he’s a good guy. He deserves it. He found a way to go out on the road and play music again. I’m happy for him.



EARLY 2005: HANOI ROCKS KICK ADLER'S APPETITE OFF TOUR


In early 2005, Hanoi Rock would kick Adler's Appetite off a planned tour after Steven having accused Hanoi Rock's guitarist's (Andy McCoy) wife, Angela McCoy, of having caused Erin Every to overdose in 1990. Apparently, Angela did not appreciate Steven's comments and asked Hanoi Rocks to terminate any involvement with Steven's band [Rock Confidential, February 8, 2005]. See later chapter for more details on the overdose incident.

We were supposed to play in England with [Hanoi Rocks] and they dropped us out of the show. Whatever, because ninety-five percent of the people went back and got their money back. So that kind of says something about us! And it's a shame... and fuck it, I don't even wanna talk about it!



2005-2006: STEVEN'S ADDICTIONS CAUSE CONFLICTS AND BREAKUPS OF ADLER'S APPETITE


While touring Argentina in November/December 2005, Steven would be asked about his new lineup and Steven would then refer to former band member, Jizzy Pearl, as a jackass who could kiss his ass:

Yeah, Brent Muscat was in the band, Robbie Crane, Keri Kelli… and also another jackass singer, I don't remember his name. I didn't like him very much. Not a good singer. [...] If I would've known anyone who sang like that, I would've gotten someone else [before we recorded that EP]. I'm serious. I didn't like him very much. Not a good singer, not a good person and he can kiss my ass. I didn't like that guy.
Blabbermouth, December 26, 2005; originally in Jedbanger


Steven would also refer to the new lineup as "more professional" [Blabbermouth, December 26, 2005; originally in Jedbanger].

These comments from Steven released heated -- yet entertaining -- discussions on various internet forums where his previous band mates would be involved and where they would question Steven's own professionality and his sobriety [reprinted in Blabbermouth and Metal Sludge, on various dates in December 2005].

The new lineup of Adler's Appetite would in December be confirmed to be "lead singer Sheldon Tarsha [replacing Jizzy Pearl], bassist Chip Z'Nuff (Enuff Z'Nuff), and guitarists Michael Thomas (Beautiful Creatures) and JT Longoria (Izzy Stradlin)" [Blabbermouth, December 21, 2005].

I’m having so much more fun. We are so much more, (pause) we like each other. There are 5 personalities, but we’re all one. We’re all just, (pauses), we love each other. And we play, we work off each other so, I mean so easily.  We know what the other guy is doing before he does it. And that’s a rare-rare thing to happen, starting right off.  You know what I mean?


But this new lineup would break down immediately [Metal Sludge, January 25, 2006]. In the words of Michael Thomas:

Spain was fine, Steven was fine and everything was great! Until Adler blew a junkie gasket at our first show in Germany. Adam Bomb opened up and after the show he & Adler vanished. The next day Steven was a cussing, venom spewing viper who was clearly NOT the same person he was the day before. It's drugs, it has to be drugs.
Metal Sludge, January 25, 2006


Sheldon Tarsha would also discuss what happened:

We booked 50 shows in Europe, going back to Brazil with dates on the Rock In Rio festival. It was just an enormous tour. Right at the beginning of it, in Germany, Steven… his priorities shifted and shit hit the fan. And poof, the whole band minus Steven Adler is stranded in Germany in the snow! I don't know exactly what to call it, but it was like a rock 'n' roll nightmare. At the same time, it was kind of cool. It was like, "We're stranded in Germany. It's snowing balls out, and we're on the train." The next thing we knew we were in Amsterdam in some pub getting shitfaced drunk, and that's basically how it kind of wrapped up. In Europe, Adler went A.W.O.L. I flew back a couple days later, and I just got started on a new record because I new that was what I had to do next.
The Classic Metal Show (via Blabbermouth), March 11, 2007


Tarsha would definitely take the high road:

Well dude… Steven, he…He doesn't mean any harm by this. Blabbermouth plastered this last year all over their website, but I said that Steven is actually a good-natured guy, and he is. He just does some childish, outlandish shit and people just get really pissed off. They are like, "God, that's so irresponsible. How can he do that to me?" But who the fuck is anybody? Steven Adler is rock n' roll. Rock 'n' roll isn't about being responsible. Rock 'n' roll isn't about being predictable or doing what everyone expects you to do. That's how Steven is. People come around and are like, "Dude, I love rock. Rock forever!" Then Steven Adler is rock 'n' roll and acts rock 'n' roll, and people are like, "Why did he do that to me." It's like, "Dude, that's what rockers do." You can't fucking put a leash on them or put them in a cage. They just go fucking crazy. They do what they want to do when they want to do it, and I have to respect him for that.
The Classic Metal Show (via Blabbermouth), March 11, 2007

If he wasn't (Steven Adler), I probably would have never been in a band with him to begin with. If he was in a band with me, and he wasn't famous…first of all, I don't think I'd be playing with someone that is 15 years older than me. That was like the first weird thing. The guy is a fucking rock legend! What the hell is he doing playing with me! As people get older and more experienced, their priorities change. Me, I'm this young, fresh, ready-to-go-to-the-top-of-the-mountain guy, and that's me, dude. I'm ready to put my mark on the world and dominate the planet. He's already done that. All he wants to do is bang chicks in limos doing laps around the airport. And he was doing that, by the way. It was like, "Where's Steven." And he disappeared and was banging some chick in the bathroom or in the airport lobby. He has different priorities. He's made his money. He's done his deal. Just to get that guy on stage is an honor and a miracle all by itself.
The Classic Metal Show (via Blabbermouth), March 11, 2007


Tarsha would also muse about the state of Steven:

Steven lost control of his life a long time ago, and he's lost even more control of it now. The problem is that he can't control himself, so he looks to the people around him to tell him what to do, to tell him how to think, to tell him what he should do. That's the problem right now. He screws people over based on the information he's getting from the people that are supporting him…or not supporting him. He's like a puppet. He has the name. He has the fame. He has the money, and he's easily influenced by whoever is closest to him. That's really what I think is going on right now.
The Classic Metal Show (via Blabbermouth), July 28, 2007

Steven has figured out how to use his fame to get whatever he wants. 'I'm the drummer of Guns N' Roses. I'll take care of you.' He promises you the world, and then when it comes right down to it, he pulls it back and he doesn't keep his word. He gets away with it. Does he have a bad heart? I don't think so. He's learned how to get his way over the years. He's stretched his credit beyond the limits of what I think the credit is worth, honestly.
The Classic Metal Show (via Blabbermouth), July 28, 2007

The greatest thing going on right now in the Adler camp is that he's playing the sympathy card with Slash and Izzy; getting these guys to come down and pop up on stage with him. It just gives Steven more ammunition to use that fame card to manipulate people and get people to do his bidding and do what he wants them to do. They feel like there's this chance that Guns N' Roses could reunite, 'and I want to be in Steven.' I don't know those guys (Izzy, Slash, Duff) personally, but I know people that know them very well. Knowing Steven for so long, I kind of get the gist of it. Those guys — they kind of feel sorry for Steven. He got himself kicked out of Guns N' Roses because he has his own attitude problem, and obviously substance abuse issues. You know, they just kind of feel sorry for him. Those guys have had really cool lives. Slash — look at him. He's an American icon. He kind of feels bad for his bro that he went to junior high school with. They started the dream together, and now Steven is just scraping the bottom of the barrel. Slash is riding high with his brand new band and doing all this big time stuff. He just wants to kind of dish out some charity for him.
The Classic Metal Show (via Blabbermouth), July 28, 2007



2006: STEVEN ENDS THE TOUR WITH A GUNS N' ROSES TRIBUTE BAND


An Italian Guns N' Roses tribute band would replace Adler's Appetite for the remaining shows of the tour [Metal Sludge, January 25, 2006]. For the UK leg of the tour, Steven would play with the UK GN'R tribute band "Guns 2 Roses" [HTGTH, January 28, 2005].

Robbie Crane, a member of the previous lineup of Adler's Appetite, would release the following statement:

I'm sorry to hear the tour didn't work out as planned for Chip, Michael, Armando and Rikk, they are all friends and great guys. Thankfully they made it home safe. I think now everyone understands what the Adler's Appetite partners (Keri, Jizzy and I) went through on a daily basis over the past 3 years and why we weren't willing to fully commit to A.A. We were constantly having to physically strong arm and threaten Steven when he tried to "hang out" with his junkie buddies to keep him from going off the deep end. We as a group (Keri, Jizzy, Craig, Thomas, Armando, Rikk and I) worked day and night when touring with Steven to keep him away from situations and people like this. It wasn't easy but we did it. When he did fuck up, (and he did fuck up) we would hide it from the public as best we could so people wouldn't judge him. I only hope he finds his way clear of this and gets the help he needs.
Metal Sludge, January 25, 2006


Crane would also discuss Steven's financial situation:

Steven doesn’t have access to any of the GN’R money that he receives. His estate controls it, and his involvement and access are very limited. So, through the course of each tour he was broke and would ask for and receive cash advances from the tour money we received. By tours end he would be in the hole and owe the band money. Then, when he did get home he would sit on his couch, get high as a kite and wonder where all of the money went. Thankfully, Craig made him sign for every dime he received, PAID IN FULL!! And NO, at the end we didn't respect Steven. After going through this kind of shit for 3 years respect wasn't what he deserved, not from us. Hope you make it home safe Steven.
Metal Sludge, January 29, 2006


Steven would look back at the tour and his relationship with ex-members of the band:

Dude, it was so important for this whole thing to go fucking off smoothly. And it did. I did fifteen shows in England, almost in a row. I kicked ass and had a great time, made a new dvd, and I did it. I wanted Keri back, but I never called him up and said anything to him. [...] I told them [=band members], I said "I don't want to get rid of you! I don't want to throw you away! I love ya! I want to work with you! I just have to try to do this!" I had to prove myself! That South America shit? Dude, I got that band together in five fuckin' days! I did it! I didn't cancel, I proved myself. Everytime I've gone to Europe it ended up costing me eight to ten thousand dollars! I didn't make dick there!


During the tour Adam Bomb would be on the same bill as "Adler's Appetite" and Bomb would also manage Steven:

Oh, Jesus Christ! The only thing he said to me, made me feel, that I could do this thing on my own. It was good and it was bad and it was ugly. I learned a lot, but still I got fucked over. The first night I played with him, we did well, and I thought, "cool, maybe this is want I need". I mean, I hope, that I can still work with Sheldon and the guys sometime. But I know they're pissed. I...fuck.... with the other guys, Robbie and them, they were wanting to cancel the shows in South America that time, and I said "No way!" I just had to prove that I could do it on my own. I did it, I pulled it off.

You gotta understand, please, everybody would go home making money. What happened was, I got ripped off again. Being with Adam, I learned more business.

I want nothing to do with him! I was only with him for two weeks! He says one thing and does a goddamn other. His bass player was a great guy. Hard worker. Rossi, great guy, too!


Steven would claim Bomb had stolen stuff from him:

When we were supposed to go to Spain. My money, my merchandise, my cymbals and shit - were gone! And he was gone.


Steven would later talk about Metal Sludge:

It's a cruel gossip thing! It's the meanest thing, dude. People say, "Oh he lives his life through one record", like they're all above that or something. Or "Oh, if I had his success, I'd be doing a lot more than he does", well, maybe you should think about why you're not successful. I'm proud of what I've done!


And offer apologies to Sheldon and the previous band members:

I'm sorry, I made a mistake. I never wanted to get rid of you. It was ugly and I'm sorry.


And when the interviewer suggested this new sad chapter in Steven's career couldn't be good for his image:

My image? I still played great, everybody dug it! Like the first GNR convention, I didn't think I would be talkin'! The first five questions the guy asked me, "C'mon, are you nervous?". I said "Fuckin' A I'm nervous, get me a fuckin' drink!" In South America, I was by myself! I got the band together in five days! I used an Italian band in Italy. I played with six different bands. The Irish band was the best! They were fuckin' good!


And when the interviewer pointed out the band he used in the UK dressed as Guns N' Roses:

Dude, yeah, yeah…I told them, "Dude, just be yourselves!" It was freaky man! Being onstage we were playing and I'd look up - "Holy Shit!", 'cause, it kinda looked like 'em. Then we'd go backstage and the guys would take their wigs off, blew my mind! Scared the shit out of me! (laughs).


A couple of months later, Adam Bomb would talk about touring with Steven:

I told Izzy that I had to leave the tour because Adler was out of control and probably he wasn't able to reach Portugal. And he didn't.

I was fed up with struggling to keep the tour together while Adler decided to work against me. The spanish promoter via sms told me not to go to Spain because “this is Adler’s tour, not yours” so I dropped everything. Adler in Spain did 2 gigs out of 12 and cancelled the tour.


In reality, Steven managed to get four shows done in Spain before the tour ended on February 21.

Bomb would also claim there was a conflict between Steven and his family:

Adler is a mama’s boy, he used to call her from my mobile phone...screaming at her like a child. He thinks his mother & his brother want him dead so they can have his money...


Likely as a result of the chaotic tour in 2006, an intervention would be held in 2006 to try to get Steven off cocaine [Rolling Stone, August 9, 2007].


2007: PUTTING ADLER'S APPETITE BACK TOGETHER


In 2007, Steven would be touring with Adler's Appetite again with a new lineup, without Sheldon Tarsha:

And I got Kris [Kristy Majors] from Artists Worldwide [and PRETTY BOY FLOYD] playing rhythm guitar. Sheldon [Tarsha, vocals] is recording a new album and setting up his own tour, so he had to decline, and I wish him the best!


Tarsha, on the other hand, would suggest money was the reason he didn't rejoin Adler's Appetite:

Two weeks before Rocklahoma, Steven Adler and I spoke for almost an hour on the phone. He apologized profusely for derailing our European tour last year and PROMISED me that he was going to pay me out of his personal account 'if not $20,000 at least $10,000' to be in the band and do the upcoming tour with him. I postponed my show on July 13th that I had scheduled in San Diego with my band (TARSHA) to be available to play with Steven at Rocklahoma. I tried calling and texting him several times as the date approached. I got no call, no nothin'. He completely flaked on me and never called! It wasn't till a couple days ago that I called his brother Jamie. I told him and Steven's new manager that I'm not available to tour with Adler. They BEGGED me to 'at least play the Key Club show...' I told them, 'I'm sorry guys, I've been on the rollercoaster ride long enough. PLEASE find someone else.' They said 'We want you and only you,' blah blah blah... I texted them back the next day and told them I need $5,000 up front to do the tour. They immediately started in with 'We don't have that kind of money...We're not rich like u might think...' I told them that if I was gonna be involved, I need to know that Adler's Appetite is a serious band with plans for real success. They told me, 'I thought you said it's not about the money, which is it?' I told them it's about the commitment, not only to me and the fans, but the overall success of the project. I told them that if they don't plan on going all the way, I don't want to be involved.' They had no response.

[...]

I'm extremely focused right now with my new band Tarsha. [...] I wish Adler the best of luck and I hope all the fans I made touring with Adler's Appetite will check out my new music and support my new album.
Blabbermouth, July 26, 2007


Steven had also got Michael Thomas back in the band:

He's been great. I know what I did in Europe was the biggest mistake I ever made. I couldn't be sorrier. I owe those guys. They were there for me. But we're back, we feel great, and we're gonna kick some ass!


As usual, Steven was exuberant about the future touring:

[...] things are comin' together, just getting' ready for the 28th! There's Michael Thomas, Chip, and I got Ronnie Schneider back with me takin' care of the drums. Then the 31st we leave for Argentina. Then it's off to South America, Brazil, and Europe hopefully in September. Just hope to see all the great rock 'n' roll people!

We're gonna be busy working until pretty much Christmas, which I'm excited about. I love playing live, especially for people who love the music and appreciate it and show nothing but love to me and respect. I love it, and I give it all back.


But then in late 2007, Steven had to cancel the European tour because of "personal problems":

We sincerely apologize to all our friends and fans for the cancellation of this tour. Of course, Steven loves to play and meet his fans. Unfortunately, he has some personal issues that prevented him from participating. He was optimistic about doing the shows, but when it came down to it, he just couldn't. Steven's like a brother to us, and we just want to see him healthy. We're looking forward to making up these shows next year. Please forgive us, and thank you for your patience and understanding. Peace.
Adler's Appetite MySpace, November 2007[/url]


According to Blabbermouth, the band had to cancel a show in Mexico City on September 19, 2007, after Steven had collapsed on stage [Blabbermouth, November 24, 2007].
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