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Post by Karice Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:39 am

I just listened to Use Your Illusion 2 album and at the first songs, I thought, Hmm. Axl seems a little angry. No big deal. He obviously is not going to be 100 percent happy all the time. He's only Human. Then the songs got extremely pissed off to the point where he is literally cussing his head off in Maniacal Rants. I was like,"😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐 I was SHOCKED! I was like,"Is Axl going through a mental breakdown? WHY is he so PISSED and literally cussing us out? 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱 His plain primal screams at the top of his lungs throughout most of the album didn't help matters.This was completely different from the Playful and fun Appetite For Destruction album. Axl ACTUALLY seemed like he was going crazy or something..... Get In The Ring was a prime example of this. Axl telling us to suck his Um, "Little Axl," is pretty shocking. Axl's Maniacal laughter in the song didn't help matters. The majority of the album is the equivalent of someone making you mad so you go home and rant obscenities and scream at the top of your lungs in a pissed off mood....


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No, he wasn't alright.
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Post by Karice Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:51 am

@Soulmonster wrote:No, he wasn't alright.

That's what I figured. I was like,"Axl couldn't be in his right mind on the Use Your Illusion 2 album." There is a difference between singing from raw pain and having a mental breakdown on an album. I'm surprised the Music Producers released the Use Your Illusion 2 album when Axl was acting crazy on it..
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Axl's emotions were always 110%. The way he could channel all his emotions into his singing and live shows is part of what has made him into a legendary frontmann and vocalist.
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Post by Karice Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:01 am

@Soulmonster wrote:Axl's emotions were always 110%. The way he could channel all his emotions into his singing and live shows is part of what has made him into a legendary frontmann and vocalist.


I don't get why the Music Producer released Use Your Illusion 2 album when it was clear Axl was acting crazy. They should have just let Axl rant out his emotions for about 2 hours in a private cassette and not send that album out.
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@Karice wrote:
@Soulmonster wrote:Axl's emotions were always 110%. The way he could channel all his emotions into his singing and live shows is part of what has made him into a legendary frontmann and vocalist.

I don't get why the Music Producer released Use Your Illusion 2 album when it was clear Axl was acting crazy. They should have just let Axl rant out his emotions for about 2 hours in a private cassette and not send that album out.

I think a broader question is why people didn't help Axl and if there were any moral questions about benefitting from a man who was clearly struggling with mental issues. Although Axl openly admitted having issues, and seeking therapy around this time, he himself had no apparent problems showing his angry side in his arts. It was part of who he was and aggressive songs require aggressive lyrics and delivery. So I don't think anyone necessarily should have stopped him. I mean, arts is full of emotions, occasionally from artists who genuinely have some emotional issues. It helps make arts great, and as long as it doesn't hurt the artist, then or now, I think it is entirely fine. As for the touring, Axl has been pretty clear back then and in recent times, that he shouldn't have toured. It caused him a lot of distress and resulted in all kinds of issues (contributing to riots, late starts, conflicts, etc). Perhaps his band mates should have supported him and said, "No, we can't do this now, Axl needs help." On the other hand, Axl agreed to do it, so it is always a difficult decision for others to make. I also think Axl could be a bit fickle and prone to bouts of emotions, so maybe they thought that he was exaggerating and would be okay?

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I would think that if we were to ask Axl, he would say other people exploited his vulnerable state for monetary gains. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some truth in that, but based on what I know from the outside, I can see it wouldn't necessarily have been easy to always make the right decisions when dealing with someone like Axl, and that always keeping him happy might not itself have been the right thing to do. There is a place where communal obligations ends and personal obligation begins. Although clearly having mental issues, Axl is the one that primarily must take responsibility for putting himself in the situation.
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Post by Karice Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:12 pm

Hmm. Just found out that Axl got Divorced in 1991. 1991 was the same year Use Your Illusion 2 album was released. Maybe the pain from his Divorce helped to attribute to his mental breakdown in the Use Your Illusion 2 album? 🤔
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Use Your Illusion 1 and Use Your Illusion 2 were released together and the songs on 2 weren't necessarily made and recorded at a different time than the songs on 1. I also don't think the UYI2 is necessarily more of a testament to Axl's troubles than UYI1, and it is probably a bit arbitrary which song ended up on which album.

As for the divorce, Axl's troubles with Erin is definitely a component in his emotions in this period. The divorce happened after all the songs were written, so the divorce itself probably had little to do with it. Still, as I said, he had troubles with Erin in the period (they lost a pregnancy, too), and there were other things in Axl's life that troubled him and likely affected the songs, his lyrics and delivery. As a specific example, his conflict with his neighbour influenced Right Next Door to Hell.
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@Soulmonster wrote:Use Your Illusion 1 and Use Your Illusion 2 were released together and the songs on 2 weren't necessarily made and recorded at a different time than the songs on 1. I also don't think the UYI2 is necessarily more of a testament to Axl's troubles than UYI1, and it is probably a bit arbitrary which song ended up on which album.

As for the divorce, Axl's troubles with Erin is definitely a component in his emotions in this period. The divorce happened after all the songs were written, so the divorce itself probably had little to do with it. Still, as I said, he had troubles with Erin in the period (they lost a pregnancy, too), and there were other things in Axl's life that troubled him and likely affected the songs, his lyrics and delivery. As a specific example, his conflict with his neighbour influenced Right Next Door to Hell.

Hmm. Losing a pregnancy would most likely cause me to have mental breakdown too.
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Post by Uli Wed Dec 29, 2021 4:46 pm

From memory: Axl said he felt he was backed up by the band when they decided to release "Get in the ring", but then he felt "let down" by them because he was the only one having to defend the song in interviews etc.

Here's a few words about "Get in the ring":

Wall's extensive reporting may have delivered a nuanced, holistic portrait of Guns N' Roses and their mercurial frontman — but Rose's rant in the middle of "Get in the Ring" revealed more about him than any book ever could.

Musically, "Get in the Ring" was unremarkable and somewhat regressive when compared to Use Your Illusion's towering art-rock epics, such as "November Rain," "Coma" and "Estranged." The sneering, blues-punk rave-up originated with McKagan, a lifelong Johnny Thunders acolyte, under the title "Why Do You Look at Me When You Hate Me?" It was typical us-against-the-world hard-rock fare, replete with campy effects such as a ring announcer introducing the band and a "Get in the ring!" chant courtesy of the June 10, 1991, crowd at New York's Saratoga Performing Arts Center.

"Get in the Ring" would have likely been relegated to the dustbin of history based purely on its musical merits — but Rose's vitriolic spoken-word interlude against reporters whom he felt had misrepresented the band would cement its place among the pantheon of scorched-earth diss tracks.


Read More: When Axl Rose Went Ballistic on the Press in 'Get in the Ring' | https://ultimateclassicrock.com/guns-n-roses-get-in-the-ring/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral
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Post by Karice Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:46 pm

@Uli wrote:From memory: Axl said he felt he was backed up by the band when they decided to release "Get in the ring", but then he felt "let down" by them because he was the only one having to defend the song in interviews etc.

Here's a few words about "Get in the ring":



Wall's extensive reporting may have delivered a nuanced, holistic portrait of Guns N' Roses and their mercurial frontman — but Rose's rant in the middle of "Get in the Ring" revealed more about him than any book ever could.

Musically, "Get in the Ring" was unremarkable and somewhat regressive when compared to Use Your Illusion's towering art-rock epics, such as "November Rain," "Coma" and "Estranged." The sneering, blues-punk rave-up originated with McKagan, a lifelong Johnny Thunders acolyte, under the title "Why Do You Look at Me When You Hate Me?" It was typical us-against-the-world hard-rock fare, replete with campy effects such as a ring announcer introducing the band and a "Get in the ring!" chant courtesy of the June 10, 1991, crowd at New York's Saratoga Performing Arts Center.

"Get in the Ring" would have likely been relegated to the dustbin of history based purely on its musical merits — but Rose's vitriolic spoken-word interlude against reporters whom he felt had misrepresented the band would cement its place among the pantheon of scorched-earth diss tracks.




Read More: When Axl Rose Went Ballistic on the Press in 'Get in the Ring' | https://ultimateclassicrock.com/guns-n-roses-get-in-the-ring/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral


Hmm. The four Guns supported their Rose Brother when the song was being made but left him high and dry when it's time to defend the song? Hmm. The four Guns did support him however when he stormed off at the St Louis Concert. All four of them walking off WITH him was a ballsy move. In reality, I would have sent Izzy to go with him(Izzy is the only one who showed a lot of concern for him when he stopped the Rocket Queen song) as he was obviously upset and needed A(Not all four of them, just one) Gun Brother to support him. All four of the Guns walking off with him REALLY wasn't needed. Just have Slash, Duff, and Steven finish out the songs and have Izzy go support Axl. Maybe the Riot wouldn't have happened then...
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Post by Uli Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:12 am

Of course this was only one event and Axl felt a bit let down, but that does not mean they didn't back him at other times.
In general, there were tensions within the band, because of the drugs and Axl's position as the "front man" (which made him the target of comments in the press etc.)!
However, I believe these tensions were part of the "package" - they made the band play more aggressively and to their best abilities, thus rocking the sh!t out of many venues they played.

Of course sometimes things would get "out of hand" and end in a riot. (Some crowds got a bit nervous when gigs would start much later as planned.)
But, as mentioned, back then that was part of the "deal". You can't expect "the most dangerous band in the world" (as GN'R was often called) to act like a teddy bear...

As Soulmonster already pointed out, the band recorded a lot of songs between 1989 and 1991, it was not the producer's decision to release 2 albums at the same time. (I'm not quite certain, who decided on the tracklist of UYI I & II, but I guess the band had a say in it, possibly helped by A&R people from the record company, managers, producer etc.!)
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Post by Karice Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:54 pm

@Uli wrote:Of course this was only one event and Axl felt a bit let down, but that does not mean they didn't back him at other times.
In general, there were tensions within the band, because of the drugs and Axl's position as the "front man" (which made him the target of comments in the press etc.)!
However, I believe these tensions were part of the "package" - they made the band play more aggressively and to their best abilities, thus rocking the sh!t out of many venues they played.

Of course sometimes things would get "out of hand" and end in a riot. (Some crowds got a bit nervous when gigs would start much later as planned.)
But, as mentioned, back then that was part of the "deal". You can't expect "the most dangerous band in the world" (as GN'R was often called) to act like a teddy bear...

As Soulmonster already pointed out, the band recorded a lot of songs between 1989 and 1991, it was not the producer's decision to release 2 albums at the same time. (I'm not quite certain, who decided on the tracklist of UYI I & II, but I guess the band had a say in it, possibly helped by A&R people from the record company, managers, producer etc.!)

A Guns N Roses Fan on a YouTube video of something like,"Axl Rose's most shocking Moments," said something like,"In Rock And Roll, you want your Rockstar to be reckless, fiery, impulsive, explosive, temperamental like Axl was back in his heyday. Young Axl was a good textbook example of Rock And Roll." 😀😏
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Axl was definitely a great rock'n'roll frontman and a unique singer back in '91. He had his personal problems and sometimes things went too far (shows starting late, or ending in riot)...

Anyway, if you wanna know more about the UYI albums and why there's two of them:

While it could have been easy to capitalize on the early successes and churn out another album quickly, the band instead chose to double down on their work and release an ambitious two-volume collection on Sept. 17, 1991 called Use Your Illusion.

Frontman Axl Rose told Rolling Stone in 1991 that the project was well thought-out and a calculated career move, choosing to challenge themselves to do something special rather than taking the easy road.

But getting there was no easy task. The band had a tumultuous split with drummer Steven Adler after his hard-partying ways became too much for the band to ignore. Adler would later file suit against the group. Guns N' Roses also bid adieu to manager Alan Niven amongst other key members of their crew.

In 1990, keyboardist Dizzy Reed was invited to join the group. And with Adler on the way out, the group needed a new drummer and found their man in Matt Sorum, whom the band had seen drumming with The Cult. "Having a keyboard player in the band was something they talked to me about a long time ago," Reed stated. "I never really thought it would happen."

But Reed got the call at just the right time as he was about to be thrown out of his apartment right as he got the invite. As for Sorum, he took over behind the kit for a majority of the songs, though Adler still received credit on the song "Civil War."

With the new lineup intact, Guns N' Roses started putting together the disc in 1990, spending nearly a year on the recording. The band made use of numerous studios, including A&M, Record Plant, Studio 56, Image Recording, Conway Studios and Metalworks Recording Studios.

Ever the perfectionists, the band also mixed 21 tracks with engineer/producer Bob Clearmountain, but later scrapped the mixes, starting from scratch with Bill Price handling the mixing. But when it came down to it, Guns N' Roses had set the bar high with their previous work and were intent of maintaining that push for excellence.

"I've had a good understanding of where I wanted Guns N' Roses to go and the things I wanted Guns N' Roses to achieve musically," says Rose, "And I can't say that everybody's had a grip on that. We're competing with rock legends, and we're trying to do the best we can to possibly be honored with a position like that. We want to define ourselves. Appetite was a cornerstone, a place to start. That was like 'Here's our land, and we just put a stake in the ground. Now we're going to build something.'"

As for the separation of the tracks, Rose told Here Today Gone To Hell, "We didn't actually take into consideration that people knew more songs on II than I. We thought that 'Civil War' and 'Knockin' on Heaven's Door' would be old news, rather than people wanting to get them in their hands. We looked at it like the first half of Use Your Illusion I was more similar to the energy on Appetite for Destruction, and would be a lot more fun to skateboard to. We thought of it that way. We thought it would be more successful in the beginning and we'd have to work on II, but actually II took off harder so it gave us the time to work on I and also drive wide and push it."

He added, "I'd say 'Civil War,' 'Heaven's Door,' 'Breakdown,' 'Estranged,' 'Locomotive,' and the second version of 'Don't Cry' are a bit deeper and more mature than some of the songs on the first side of Illusion I. Those are just as important to us, but were more fun and more raw expressions of emotions."

The first song to arrive came from the Use Your Illusion II album. The propulsive rocker "You Could Be Mine" was used for their soundtrack of the film Terminator 2: Judgment Day after Arnold Schwarzenegger personally invited the band to dinner at his home to negotiate a deal.

As for the touring cycle, it took it's toll on the band. There was the incident in St. Louis when Rose was cited with inciting a riot after going into the crowd after a photographer. There was the ill-fated 1992 tour with Metallica where riots erupted. And during the run, Izzy Stradlin tired of life in the band and eventually exited, with Gilby Clarke eventually joining the group.
Read More: 30 Years Ago: Guns N' Roses Issue 'Use Your Illusion I' & 'II' | https://loudwire.com/guns-n-roses-use-your-illusion-i-ii-album-anniversary/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral

When Guns N' Roses released their Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion II albums in the fall of 1991, large retail chains such as Wal-Mart and K-Mart refused to stock the titles because of the explicit lyrical content featured on tracks such as "Back Off Bitch" and "Pretty Tied Up."
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Despite the massive loss in sales they faced, the band refused to alter their work by releasing censored versions of the records. In fact, they added their own warning sticker to the albums, suggesting that anyone who doesn't like their words could "fuck off and go buy something from the new age section." (Reportedly, and hysterically, the sticker was also later banned from use.)
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/guns-n-roses-use-your-illusion-single-disc/
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Post by Karice Sun Jan 02, 2022 3:57 am

@Uli wrote:Axl was definitely a great rock'n'roll frontman and a unique singer back in '91. He had his personal problems and sometimes things went too far (shows starting late, or ending in riot)...

Anyway, if you wanna know more about the UYI albums and why there's two of them:


While it could have been easy to capitalize on the early successes and churn out another album quickly, the band instead chose to double down on their work and release an ambitious two-volume collection on Sept. 17, 1991 called Use Your Illusion.

Frontman Axl Rose told Rolling Stone in 1991 that the project was well thought-out and a calculated career move, choosing to challenge themselves to do something special rather than taking the easy road.

But getting there was no easy task. The band had a tumultuous split with drummer Steven Adler after his hard-partying ways became too much for the band to ignore. Adler would later file suit against the group. Guns N' Roses also bid adieu to manager Alan Niven amongst other key members of their crew.

In 1990, keyboardist Dizzy Reed was invited to join the group. And with Adler on the way out, the group needed a new drummer and found their man in Matt Sorum, whom the band had seen drumming with The Cult.  "Having a keyboard player in the band was something they talked to me about a long time ago," Reed stated. "I never really thought it would happen."

But Reed got the call at just the right time as he was about to be thrown out of his apartment right as he got the invite. As for Sorum, he took over behind the kit for a majority of the songs, though Adler still received credit on the song "Civil War."

With the new lineup intact, Guns N' Roses started putting together the disc in 1990, spending nearly a year on the recording. The band made use of numerous studios, including A&M, Record Plant, Studio 56, Image Recording, Conway Studios and Metalworks Recording Studios.

Ever the perfectionists, the band also mixed 21 tracks with engineer/producer Bob Clearmountain, but later scrapped the mixes, starting from scratch with Bill Price handling the mixing. But when it came down to it, Guns N' Roses had set the bar high with their previous work and were intent of maintaining that push for excellence.

"I've had a good understanding of where I wanted Guns N' Roses to go and the things I wanted Guns N' Roses to achieve musically," says Rose, "And I can't say that everybody's had a grip on that. We're competing with rock legends, and we're trying to do the best we can to possibly be honored with a position like that. We want to define ourselves. Appetite was a cornerstone, a place to start. That was like 'Here's our land, and we just put a stake in the ground. Now we're going to build something.'"

As for the separation of the tracks, Rose told Here Today Gone To Hell, "We didn't actually take into consideration that people knew more songs on II than I. We thought that 'Civil War' and 'Knockin' on Heaven's Door' would be old news, rather than people wanting to get them in their hands. We looked at it like the first half of Use Your Illusion I was more similar to the energy on Appetite for Destruction, and would be a lot more fun to skateboard to. We thought of it that way. We thought it would be more successful in the beginning and we'd have to work on II, but actually II took off harder so it gave us the time to work on I and also drive wide and push it."

He added, "I'd say 'Civil War,' 'Heaven's Door,' 'Breakdown,' 'Estranged,' 'Locomotive,' and the second version of 'Don't Cry' are a bit deeper and more mature than some of the songs on the first side of Illusion I. Those are just as important to us, but were more fun and more raw expressions of emotions."

The first song to arrive came from the Use Your Illusion II album. The propulsive rocker "You Could Be Mine" was used for their soundtrack of the film Terminator 2: Judgment Day after Arnold Schwarzenegger personally invited the band to dinner at his home to negotiate a deal.

As for the touring cycle, it took it's toll on the band. There was the incident in St. Louis when Rose was cited with inciting a riot after going into the crowd after a photographer. There was the ill-fated 1992 tour with Metallica where riots erupted. And during the run, Izzy Stradlin tired of life in the band and eventually exited, with Gilby Clarke eventually joining the group.

Read More: 30 Years Ago: Guns N' Roses Issue 'Use Your Illusion I' & 'II' | https://loudwire.com/guns-n-roses-use-your-illusion-i-ii-album-anniversary/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral


When Guns N' Roses released their Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion II albums in the fall of 1991, large retail chains such as Wal-Mart and K-Mart refused to stock the titles because of the explicit lyrical content featured on tracks such as "Back Off Bitch" and "Pretty Tied Up."
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Despite the massive loss in sales they faced, the band refused to alter their work by releasing censored versions of the records. In fact, they added their own warning sticker to the albums, suggesting that anyone who doesn't like their words could "fuck off and go buy something from the new age section." (Reportedly, and hysterically, the sticker was also later banned from use.)

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/guns-n-roses-use-your-illusion-single-disc/

Thank you for the indepth post! 😀 I enjoyed this post a LOT! 😀😏 listened to Use Your Illusion Part 1 even before reading your post and I thought,"Use Your Illusion is VERY reminiscent of Appetite For Destruction, so good!" 😀😏 Wouldn't you know it, Axl himself mentioned that Use Your Illusion Part 1 has a lot of reminiscent energy of Appetite For Destruction! 😏😀😉Axl also mentioned that Use Your Illusion Part 2 is mature compared to Illusion Part 1. I also noticed that Illusion Part 2 has a theme of anger in it...
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Post by Uli Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:43 pm

Glad you like it - sometimes I enjoy doing a little bit of "research", it seemed apt as the UYI albums are 30 years old now. With a boxset coming later in '22, there will be new articles for sure. Cool
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Post by Karice Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:49 pm

Hmm. About Use Your Illusion Part 1, I have fallen asleep at
least TWICE attempting to listen to it all the way through and waking up later to it still playing 🤣 Nothing like falling asleep and waking up to Axl screaming at you "LET ME BE! LET ME BE! LET ME BE!" 🤣
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Post by Uli Tue Jan 04, 2022 1:46 pm

@Karice wrote:Hmm. About Use Your Illusion Part 1, I have fallen asleep

Wow, the UYI albums are pretty long, but falling asleep during that "noise" is quite an achievement! Surprised Wink
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Post by Karice Tue Jan 04, 2022 2:26 pm

@Uli wrote:
@Karice wrote:Hmm. About Use Your Illusion Part 1, I have fallen asleep


Wow, the UYI albums are pretty long, but falling asleep during that "noise" is quite an achievement! Surprised Wink

😏😀😉🤣I can't believe I fell asleep at least twice with Axl screaming at me in the Use Your Illusion Part 1 Album! 🤣😉😀😏 And then I woke up during Perfect Crime(The song he is screaming at me to "LET ME BE! LET ME BE! LET ME BE! 🤣😉😀😏 It's understandable that I woke up to Axl's screaming in Perfect Crime, but it's confusing how I fell asleep during his screaming... 🤐🤔🧐
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Post by Karice Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:50 am


ACTUALLY, I fell asleep during Bad Obsession and woke up during Perfect Crime. In my defense, in Bad Obsession, Axl's is singing with a Country sounding drawl.
🤪😉 Edit. A review of this song says that he is using an exaggerated Midwestern vibe for Bad Obsession. He definitely isn't screaming in Bad Obsession. 🤪😉
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Post by Karice Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:15 am

Hmm. It couldn't have been Bad Obsession I fell asleep to and woke up to Perfect Crime. Perfect Crime comes BEFORE Bad Obsession. It would be weird if I fell asleep to Perfect Crime and woke up during Bad Obsession because Bad Obsession is Axl singing in a Country drawl and Perfect Crime is him screaming. Maybe I fell asleep during Bad Obsession and woke up to ,"Back Off Woman(Changed the real word into something much more appropriate 😉" because Back Off Woman also has Axl screaming in it. But, I listened to Perfect Crime yesterday night and I did find myself getting sleepy.... Weird. I had to will myself not to go to sleep. Hmm. Maybe I did fall asleep during Perfect Crime and wake up during Bad Obsession? But that would be really weird. I guess as weird as almost falling asleep during Perfect Crime
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Post by Karice Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:29 am

Hmm. Axl seemed to be giving mixed messages to Guns N'Roses Fans in Get In The Ring. He basically said something like,"Thank you Guns N'Roses Fans for sticking with us, you Feckers. He also dedicated Get In The Ring song that is about wanting to kick People's asses to us...... Um.... I get that Axl is implying that he is grateful for the Guns N'Roses Fans that didn't abandon them while they were getting ragged and dragged and lied about, but calling us Feckers and dedicating Get In The Ring to us ? Um, :/ He also called kids Feckers while standing up for them... Um, :/
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Post by Uli Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:38 pm

@Karice wrote:but calling us Feckers and dedicating Get In The Ring to us ?

I guess it was meant as a term of his kind appreciation in this context! Hay
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Post by Karice Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:49 pm

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@Karice wrote:but calling us Feckers and dedicating Get In The Ring to us ?


I guess it was meant as a term of his kind appreciation in this context! Hay

I would have appreciated if Axl could have shown us his appreciation for sticking with Guns N'Roses without calling us Feckers. 🤪😑 Maybe just a "Thank you Guns N'Roses Fans for sticking with us through all the unfair BS! This song is NOT directed towards you!"
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Post by Uli Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:37 am

@Karice wrote:
I would have appreciated if Axl could have shown us his appreciation for sticking with Guns N'Roses without calling us Feckers. 🤪

Didn't they call themselves Guns N' F***in'Roses on the t-shirts at the time? Razz
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Post by Karice Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:48 am

@Uli wrote:


@Karice wrote:
I would have appreciated if Axl could have shown us his appreciation for sticking with Guns N'Roses without calling us Feckers. 🤪




Didn't they call themselves Guns N' F***in'Roses on the t-shirts at the time? Razz




I don't know. I am a newer Fan. 😉😏😀 If they did call themselves that, it would mean that Axl was calling him and his Band that, not us.  😏
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Post by Uli Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:07 pm

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If they did call themselves that, it would mean that Axl was calling him and his Band that, not us.  😏

I know, but what I wanted to point out was: that kind of language was "normal" for GN'R at the time.

It still is today... or what does G N'F'N R's mean? Razz
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Post by Karice Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:31 pm

@Uli wrote:
@Karice wrote:
If they did call themselves that, it would mean that Axl was calling him and his Band that, not us.  😏


I know, but what I wanted to point out was: that kind of language was "normal" for GN'R at the time.

It still is today... or what does G N'F'N R's mean?  Razz
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Okay, Feckers/Fecking is just the way Axl and his Band Friends talk, good and bad. 🤪 I am a newer Fan and was SHOCKED when he called us his Fans Feckers, thank God for this Website because I would have been completely in the dark on why he called us Feckers. He wasn't even calling us Feckers, he was calling himself and his Band Feckers. Yep, "Fecker," comes before the word ,"Roses," not after it, which makes a big difference. 🤪😀
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