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2009.MM.DD - Doug Goldstein's letter to Axl

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Post by Blackstar Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:16 pm

Doug Goldstein wrote:
Axl,

I implore you to read this. First and foremost, I thank you in advance for taking the time to read this.

I believe there are MANY misconceptions, false-truths, and resentmrent causing issues that continue to fester in Our relationship. I'd love the opportunity to clear these up.

The sale of Big FD to Sanctuary......
 
Ax, I swear on my kids lives, when I was first propositioned by Merck, I immeadiately called Sharon. She told me to fly to England and meet with Rod Smallwood, Merck, and Andy Taylor. Furthermore, and most importantly, she definitavely "ORDERED" me NOT to tlk to you about it. She wanted me to ascertain the strength of the company, which at the time was magnanimous.

After my fact finding mission, I flew to Arizona to meet with Sharon and Elliot. They concluded that at this point in your career, you needed a powerhouse company with unlimited power and resources to help guide your career. Again, I was given the missive to "surprise " you with this information, as Sharon felt you would be PROUD that I was willing to give up Big FD to further enhance YOUR career. Ax, check with Elliot..if he denies this, he's flat out lying...I swear on my kids lives.

Merck...where do I start here....He flat out fucked me and was a vicious Cancer that intentionally created decietful lies to muddy the waters of our once inseperable brotherhood. I will accept culpability for the fact that for the first time in my life, I wasn't acting in a resposible manner, as far as my responsibilities in guiding your life's path. For this, I can only eternally apologize. I was SO fucked up in the head at that time. I was suicidal over mising my kids, and didn't know how to sufficiently handle the pain. Oh...the $10k a month that Sanctuary claims THEY were paying Sharon, was MY fucking money. They took HALF of my paycheck every month...and paid Sharon..that was a huge hit for me to take, but I was trying to hold onto yours,and mines relationhip!!!

To that end, I am BACK!!!...my kids live in Newbury Park. Jake is almost 16..the most charming affable, loving guy. On his own accord he picked up the guitar about 5 years ago. He's amazing!! Eli is 10..and God has blessed me with the sweetest little guy in the world. I have found an AMAZING woman, named Bridget. She's loved me for 6 years. She has literally broght me back to life. She's supprtive of all my decisions, we never do anything without the other, and we're getting married in July. We own 2 art galleries in Hawaii, as well as opening a Fred Segal type store next December.

Axl, I'm watching your career with great frustration. I know that the only reason Irving is working with you is to induce you in the future to do THE GREAT RE-UNION TOUR. Give me a fucking break....I KNOW that is never going to happen, and wish people wouldd just fucking leave you alone on this issue. Andy Gould...C'mon..the guys a buffoon. He's a semi-funtioning alcoholic, who doesn't put YOUR needs in first place.

Ax, This is hard for me to write. I know you abhor this, but the fact is I LOVE YOU with all my Heart!!..I have watched others try and work with you, and whilst quoting an Eminem song, "They don't know you like I do Man".

Al of the so called industry types, which I have always had disdain for, Clammoring around incompetently handling your carrer.

The biggest difference, is that know one is taking the time to properly ascertain your vision, and allow you the support and guidance that you deserve. No one that I'm aware of has the bond and ability to correctly adapt your conceptualizations, and implement YOUR ideas, as opposed to pushing their own self-effacing needs and desires. Ax, you know that when my heads right, I'm the BEST at knowing how to protect, market, conceptualize, and most impotantly put my own personal needs or injecting "MY VISION"..give me a fucking break..You don't need someone to GUIDE you..You're the most intelligent, misunderstood individual, I've EVER had the pleasure of working with. You need a facilitator of your dreams. Someone who is humble, loyal, as has no hidden agendas. Guess what bro..THAT'S ME!!
I implore you to find the time to meet with me. You will see for yourself...Dougie is back bigger, better and stronger than EVER!!

I will be in LA May 8th-the 10th. I implore you to meet with me..I will extend my trip as long as you need me to. I will sit and answer any and every question truthfully and completly. I can come in early, or stay later..You tell me when YOU are available...I'll be there.

I have a brilliant plan to make you between 10-20 million dollars a year, wehter you tour or not. It's called the "ROSE FESTIVAL".  If you decide to tour with Van Halen, I could do the pre-production and the first show, but need to get back to Hawaii for my wedding.

The festival would start in Australia in January 2010. The site would be a massive field, holding 250-500 thousand people. It's a two day event, with 3 stages. We'd have a metal day the first day. We would approach Metallica to close the first night. We would have 60 bands including GNR over the course of 2 days. The beauty is you'd be doing 2 shows a wee k, and you OWN the festival in perpituity. You would have to do the initial tour, but after that, you stay home and tellme the bands you want, sit back and collect the money...no longer would you need Irving, or anyone else. I'm willing to move back to LA to be at CAA everyday to find the right sponsors, bands, and fly to EVERY location, ensuring a safe environment. The beauty is instead od the promoter making all the money, you OWN the event. You get paid on parking, all beverages, t-shirt sales from EVERY band on the bill, as well as a lion's share of the sponsorship money. Ax, you know me..if I set my mind on something..I am the BEST at allowing you your vision, and concurrently protecting you.

I would like to set up a charitable foundation under YOUR NAME, where $2 from every ticket sold goes towards feeding the HUNGRY..imgine if we can get McDonalds to mach us happy-meal for happy meal. You'd personally be responsible for feeding 500,00-1 million people evertime we haVE A show.
The press would be HUGE!!!!

I would need to be in LA while you are doing the Van Halen tour, as it's imperative to be at CAA everyday to ensure your vision is met.

I have many other ideas tha I'd love to share with you, including a video idea for "If The World"..Using stock footage, build a montage wth FREE stock footage...Bernie Madoff, the founder of Countrywide..the global stock markets crahing..people jumpig off buidings after losing ther personal wealth, the war in Iraq, the homeless all over the world..etc..you wouldn't need to be in the video at all if you choose not to. I'd over see the production of the video in LA and send you a rough copy FED-EX everyday, so it is YOUR vision.

Bottom line, please forgive me for not being ther...Bridget has given me aa new lease on life, and I've NEVER been this happy and strong. I weigh 158 pounds, wearing a size 30 jean, eomtionally and physically stronger than I've ever been. I'm up tothe task and KNOW without an hesitation that I can protect yo u and set you up financially for the rest of your life.

Thank you SO much for taking the time to hear me out, and if you decide NOT to work with me, I respect that decision. I will ALWAYS be ther for you, and YOU decide what I deserve to make for my efforts. I hope you will at least give me an opportunity to sit with you, to allow us the opportuniy to put some resolve to our relationship. Either way, we both need to get on with our lives, and have closure one way or another.

Beta knows how to reach me..feel free to write or call me whenever you feel up to it.

Your Friend,
Doug Goldstein

p.s----sorry for all the typo's..I needed to get his to you asap
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Post by Soulmonster Sat Jul 10, 2021 2:28 pm

Tough one to read. Hard to not puke a little.

Makes me wonder if this letter is more informative of Goldstein and how he is, or of Axl since this is the type of servile message Goldstein thought would be most effective.
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Post by Blackstar Sat Jul 10, 2021 2:39 pm

@Soulmonster wrote:Tough one to read. Hard to not puke a little.

Makes me wonder if this letter is more informative of Goldstein and how he is, or of Axl since this is the type of servile message Goldstein thought would be most effective.
I think it's both, unfortunately.

And probably indicative of how the "entourage" in general treated Axl. I wonder, though, if it was because they just thought that was the only approach that would work without trying a different one, or if they did try a different approach and didn't work.
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Post by Soulmonster Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:08 pm

@Blackstar wrote:
@Soulmonster wrote:Tough one to read. Hard to not puke a little.

Makes me wonder if this letter is more informative of Goldstein and how he is, or of Axl since this is the type of servile message Goldstein thought would be most effective.

I think it's both, unfortunately.

And probably indicative of how the "entourage" in general treated Axl. I wonder, though, if it was because they just thought that was the only approach that would work without trying a different one, or if they did try a different approach and didn't work.

Yeah, I lean towards both, too. Also sad to read the stuff about Sharon and the influence she had back in 2001 when FD was acquired/merged with Sanctuary and that Goldstein chose to highlights this in 2009, suggesting Axl still believed in that stuff. If we are to trust what Goldstein writes, Sharon also had a lot of power back then.

Btw, how did this letter get into te public domain? I think we discussed this before but can't remember.
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Post by Blackstar Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:43 pm

@Soulmonster wrote:
@Blackstar wrote:
@Soulmonster wrote:Tough one to read. Hard to not puke a little.
Makes me wonder if this letter is more informative of Goldstein and how he is, or of Axl since this is the type of servile message Goldstein thought would be most effective.
I think it's both, unfortunately.

And probably indicative of how the "entourage" in general treated Axl. I wonder, though, if it was because they just thought that was the only approach that would work without trying a different one, or if they did try a different approach and didn't work.
Yeah, I lean towards both, too. Also sad to read the stuff about Sharon and the influence she had back in 2001 when FD was acquired/merged with Sanctuary and that Goldstein chose to highlights this in 2009, suggesting Axl still believed in that stuff. If we are to trust what Goldstein writes, Sharon also had a lot of power back then.
Sharon Maynard died in 2007. Axl thanks her in the liner notes of Chinese Democracy, and dedicates the album in her memory in the letter that is included in the alternate booklets, so I guess Axl still believed in that at the time of the release of CD.

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On the other hand, the fact that - I suppose - Axl didn't respond to Goldstein letter suggests that this approach didn't always work, and despite of what he believed/believes, he wasn't too easy to manipulate.
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Post by Blackstar Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:10 pm

@Soulmonster wrote:
Btw, how did this letter get into te public domain? I think we discussed this before but can't remember.
I don't remember us discussing it before.

That would be interesting to know. The letter is undoubtedly from 2009 (March or April, probably), but I haven't been able to trace it circulating online before 2014, so I guess that was when it was leaked. It definitely didn't come from Doug Goldstein himself (he has confirmed that he wrote it, but said it wasn't intended to become public).

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Post by Blackstar Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:41 pm

@Blackstar wrote:
@Soulmonster wrote:
Btw, how did this letter get into te public domain? I think we discussed this before but can't remember.
I don't remember us discussing it before.

That would be interesting to know. The letter is undoubtedly from 2009 (March or April, probably), but I haven't been able to trace it circulating online before 2014, so I guess that was when it was leaked. It definitely didn't come from Doug Goldstein himself (he has confirmed that he wrote it, but said it wasn't intended to become public).
Correction: I've traced it back in 2010. This must have been the first time it was posted online:

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?pid=163485#p163485
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Post by Soulmonster Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:29 pm

Thanks. If you can't remember it, then it didn't happen.

The only explanation I can think of is that Axl or Beta leaked it to make a mockery of Goldstein, but it doesn't make complete sense.

The guy on GnRevolution who posted it claims Goldstein signed it after encouragement from Beta who wanted Goldstein back. If so, they must have had some fallout after the letter because Beta despises Goldstein today.
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Post by Blackstar Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:46 pm

@Soulmonster wrote:Thanks. If you can't remember it, then it didn't happen.

The only explanation I can think of is that Axl or Beta leaked it to make a mockery of Goldstein, but it doesn't make complete sense.

The guy on GnRevolution who posted it claims Goldstein signed it after encouragement from Beta who wanted Goldstein back. If so, they must have had some fallout after the letter because Beta despises Goldstein today.
What is certain is that Doug and Beta had met, because Doug had then posted pictures from their meeting on facebook (I've seen those pictures, but can't find them now).

Allegedly the meeting had happened without Axl's knowledge and he became furious when he saw the pictures.

Doug Goldstein quoted in "Last Of The Giants" by Mick Wall (2016):
‘I wrote a letter to Axl, gave it to Beta, and said, “Don’t let anybody else see it”, and next thing I know it’s on the fucking internet. I’ve had some people since go, “Why on God’s green Earth would you put together a letter like that?” And I’ve gone through that letter a number of times and I thought I had some great ideas. [...] And unfortunately I was never communicated with back in return to the letter that I sent him. All I know is he was really angry that Beta and I had met in private.’
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