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Guns N' Roses sues brewery (lawsuit document)

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Post by Blackstar Sun May 12, 2019 11:03 pm

Another GN'R related lawsuit. This story is all over the news sites in the last few days.
A Colorado brewery’s cheeky Guns ‘N’ Rosé ale is no laughing matter, a court suit filed by the band Guns N’ Roses says.

The band filed suit against Oskar Blues Brewery on Thursday in Los Angeles on accusations of trademark infringement, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

The Longmont brewery began selling the similarly named craft ale at least as far back as 2018 without the band’s approval, the suit says. It also sells T-shirts, glasses and other merchandise with the logo.

The band’s particularly upset by the brewery’s sale of bandannas, which the suit says “are uniquely associated with GNR and their lead singer and general partner Axl Rose.”

In August, Oskar Blues Brewery filed to trademark Guns ‘N’ Rosé ale, but dropped the filing after the band objected, the suit says.

Guns N’ Roses also sent the brewery a letter demanding that it stop selling the ale and related merchandise, according to the lawsuit.

In a letter, the brewery argued that its Guns ‘N’ Rosé ale did not infringe on the band’s trademark because the rockers do not sell beer or other beverages, the lawsuit says.

Sales of the ale continue, including sales through BevMo and other outlets, according to the suit.

Along with harming the band’s “trademarks, trade name, business reputation, and goodwill,” the craft ale name creates confusion and wrongly suggests the band endorses the brew, the suit says.

“Defendant should not be entitled to continue to sell infringing products and intentionally trade on the GNR’s goodwill, prestige, and fame without GNR’s approval, license, or consent,” the suit says.

Oskar Blues Brewery, which also does business as Canarchy Craft Brewing Collective, did not respond to requests from comment on the suit from CNN, the network reported.

A November 2018 post on the brewery’s Twitter account describes Guns ‘N’ Rosé ale as having a ”sticky prickly pear and floral hibiscus with a subtle hop profile.”

Guns N’ Roses, which formed in 1984 in Los Angeles, has such hits as “Welcome to the Jungle,” “Paradise City,” and “November Rain,” according to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. The band was inducted in 2012.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article230315439.html

The "notice of opposition" GN'R had filed to the US Patents and Trademark Office in March (after that the brewery company abandoned the application for registration of the "Guns N' Rose" trademark):
https://tsdrsec.uspto.gov/ts/cd/casedocs/pdf/proxy?url=http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/ttabvue-91247205-OPP-1.pdf

The brewery though, as the news article above says, intends to continue selling products under the "Guns N' Rose" brand for a while, so GN'R filed a lawsuit. The document of the lawsuit, dated May 9, 2019:



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Post by Blackstar Mon May 13, 2019 12:23 am

There is also this case pending in the US Trademark Office: Very Happy

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Post by Soulmonster Mon May 13, 2019 2:35 pm

I really don't have an issue with this. It could be just that I come from a business background and deal with litigation and infringements in my professional capacity, but I would be more worried if GN'R didn't have any concern over people infringing on their trademarks/IP, etc. I can't really say whether it is warranted in this particular case (it becomes a judgment of whether the band would be disadvantaged if they didn't do anything, and that's a case-by-case consideration), but on a general principle I think it is only natural for a band who has revenues of more than $560 million on touring to have a conscious process behind IP protection.

What I would be worried about, though, was if it was Axl, Slash or Duff who made the calls on this, or were heavily involved in such issues. They should leave this to counsel and focus on making and playing music. And if this is the case, then I really see no issues here at all.
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Post by Blackstar Tue May 14, 2019 7:48 pm

The Real Story Behind the Oskar Blues/Guns N' Roses Lawsuit

JONATHAN SHIKES | MAY 14, 2019 | 8:12AM

Oskar Blues is one of the smartest players in craft beer today. The creator of Dale’s Pale Ale, which can be found in just about every corner of the country, was also the first craft brewery to can its beer, the inventor of the Crowler machine, and the force behind Canarchy, a collective of seven investor-backed beer companies that together have become the eighth-largest craft brewery in the U.S. The Longmont-based brewery is always on message, always on point and always two steps ahead.

So why would Oskar Blues make a blunder like the one that got it sued last week by Guns N' Roses, the iconic ’80s metal band fronted by Axl Rose, which objected to the brewery’s use of the name Guns 'N' Rosé for one of its most recent canned beers?

There’s no easy answer to that question — and Oskar Blues declined to comment for this story — but court documents filed in the Central District Court of California shed some light on how the dispute between the band and brewery developed, and why at least one of the parties is likely to end up writing a big check.

In August 2018, Oskar Blues filed a trademark application for Guns ‘N’ Rosé, brewed with hibiscus and prickly pear. The rosé style, which plays off the dry, tart or fruity flavors and the pinkish color of rosé wines, gained popularity last year and recently has really taken off, with most major craft breweries releasing a version.

Last September, the federal Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB) approved the brewery’s striking black-and-pink label for Guns ‘N’ Rosé. When I saw it, I wondered if the famously music-forward brewery had struck up a partnership with the band. If not, the name was clearly a lawsuit magnet, so I wondered if Oskar Blues was trying to elicit a cease-and-desist simply for the media attention, as some other breweries have done. It didn’t seem like the brewery’s modus operandi, but then again, Oskar Blues had also filed a bewildering trademark application for the Queen of Beers — another lawsuit magnet — that it later abandoned.

In December, the band’s business manager called the brewery’s CEO, according to the lawsuit filed May 9. When their informal conversation went nowhere, the band’s lawyer sent a cease-and-desist letter to Oskar Blues and its founder, Dale Katechis, dated December 21, 2018.

“GNR has earned widespread recognition by virtue of the band’s remarkable success and thirty year existence,” the letter read. “GNR owns and has registered the name and trademark Guns N' Roses in various countries, including in the United States, for use with clothing, musical sound recordings, and musical performances.”

The band also protested the brewery’s trademark with the TTB.

A month later, Oskar Blues attorney Katie Bukrinsky wrote back, disputing the band’s ownership of the trademark when it comes to alcoholic beverages. Trademarks are most often issued and awarded for specific categories of products and services; she pointed out that the band doesn’t own the trademark on its name when it comes to beer or any other alcoholic beverage.

“Oskar Blues named its beer Guns ‘N’ Rosé as a reference to the fact that its beer is a rosé-style ale with a crisp profile,” Burkinsky wrote. “There are other alcohol beverage producers using the same name, including at least two Guns N’ Rosé wines. … We believe that Oskar Blues’ beer can similarly coexist without creating any likelihood of confusion or dilution of GNR’s marks.

“We trust that our response above resolves this matter,” she concluded.

It didn't, and in February, Oskar Blues released the beer across its nationwide footprint — promoting it on social media and selling it in cans and on draft. But on March 13, it received another letter from the band. And this is where things get more interesting, explains Mike Drumm, a Denver attorney who specializes in trademark law for dozens of local — and national — breweries. “Guns N Roses is using the ‘famous’ trademark argument — since it does not make beer — in asserting its rights,” he says.

A mark is considered to be "famous" under the Trademark Act of 1946 (known as the Lanham Act) if it is “widely recognized” in the United States by the general public — a household name, in other words. Google is famous. So is Walmart, Apple, Coca-Cola, Nike and McDonald’s. Even Victoria’s Secret is famous. As such, they enjoy more legal protection than other trademarks. But proving that a trademark has that kind of recognition can be tricky. Some marks are simply “popular,” without being famous. To prove fame, the applicant must show the “volume and reach of the sales of the products offered bearing the mark.”

Is Guns N’ Roses that famous? Do Axl Rose and Slash, “Welcome to the Jungle” and “Sweet Child of Mine” deserve the same respect as the Big Mac? After apologizing for the delay in its response, the firm of Sheppard Mullin Richter & Hampton, representing Guns N' Roses, asserted that the band is, indeed, that “famous” and therefore entitled to wider trademark protections.

It once again demanded that the brewery stop selling the beer and abandon its trademark application — but left the door open for an “amicable” resolution.

It also, amusingly, scolded the brewery in true beer-geek fashion: “We do not accept the explanation that Oskar Blues named its product Guns ‘N’ Rosé based solely on the alleged color and taste profile of its beer. There are many words that Oskar Blues could have used to identify the purported 'rosé-style ale' of its beer; Oskar Blues specifically chose to use a variation of GNR’s famous trademark instead.”

Oskar Blues replied with some scolding of its own, then threw down the gauntlet. “We are in receipt of your March 13 letter. We were surprised to receive it as it came almost two months after our January 22 response. During that two-month interval, my client reasonably believed that our correspondence had allayed your client’s concerns, and continued with its plans to release its Guns N’ Rose beer,” Burkinsky wrote.

She went on to dispute the band’s claims of trademark infringement — and then took a direct shot. “We see no evidence that your client has reached a level of fame to warrant the extraordinary remedies of the Trademark Dilution Revision Act of 2006.” Ouch. (Apparently, dating a Sports Illustrated supermodel ain't what it used to be.)

“We furthermore note that your client’s delay in responding to our letter, especially in light of its knowledge that Oskar Blues was planning to release the Guns 'N' Rosé beer in cans in February 2019, has caused significant prejudice to Oskar Blues. Had my client known prior to that release that your client had continued objections, it could have considered other arrangements. At this point, rebranding and repackaging its beer requires significant time, effort, and expense,” she continued.

And finally, Burkinsky said that while Oskar Blues was willing to abandon its trademark application and permanently cease all sales of Guns 'N' Rosé beer and related merchandise, it wouldn’t do so before March 31, 2020.

The band's attorneys filed suit on May 9, demanding full damages and pointing out that Oskar Blues hadn’t exactly been conciliatory.

In the meantime, Canarchy had applied for three more TTB labels for the same beer, using two new names, Can-O-Blush, a play off its new Can-O-Bliss IPA, and Rose All Day — which comes with the tagline: Heavy Metal Banned (see below). So, no, not exactly conciliatory at all.

How will this play out in court? Most trademark cases are settled behind the scenes. But if the case goes to trial, it will be interesting to watch Guns N' Roses try to prove its alleged "famous" status.
https://www.westword.com/restaurants/guns-n-roses-finally-filed-suit-again-oskar-blues-heres-the-real-story-11342812
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Post by Blackstar Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:58 am

It seems the issue has been resolved as the two parties came to a settlement agreement:
Guns N' Roses Settles Legal Battle Over Knockoff Guns 'N' Rose Beer and Merch

Guns N’ Roses has reached a deal to drop the lawsuit they brought against a company allegedly hawking beer and merchandise using the band name.

According to court documents obtained by The Blast, Guns N’ Roses – including Axl Rose and Slash – have reached a settlement agreement with Canarchy Craft Brewery Collective.

The band informed the court, “Plaintiff and Defendant CANarchy Craft Brewery Collective LLC have been engaged in settlement discussions since the filing of the Complaint on May 9, 2019. On July 31, 2019, Plaintiff and Defendant reached an agreement in principle that resolves all claims asserted in, and will result in dismissal of, the Complaint. The parties are in the process of finalizing a written settlement agreement and expect to execute a written agreement that will lead to dismissal of the Complaint in the near term.”

Guns N’ Roses is asking the judge to allow them more time to finalize the deal and they will then dismiss their lawsuit.

Earlier this year, Axl Rose, Slash and Duff McKagan came together to sue Canarchy Craft Brewery Collective over a beer they've been selling called Guns 'N' Rose.

In addition, the band claimed the company has been selling hats, t-shirts, pint glasses, stickers, buttons, and bandannas with the name on them.

GNR claimed Canarchy tried to trademark the name but after the band objected, they agreed to abandon the application.

Axl and the boys claim they reached out several times to tell them to stop selling all the goods completely and claim Canarchy agreed to stop ... but not until March 2020.

That didn't fly with GNR but they claimed Canarchy “refused to immediately and completely cease sales and marketing" the beer and all the goods.

Guns N' Roses sued for trademark infringement and sought unspecified damages.
https://theblast.com/c/guns-n-roses-lawsuit-beer-merchandise-settled
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