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Post by Blackstar on Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:20 pm

About Pitman:

This was posted on a site on the band Lusk (in which Pitman was a member) on December 20, 1999:

Chris Pitman is now working for Axl Rose, doing engineering/writing work on the new GUNS 'N ROSES album.

https://web.archive.org/web/20010503180144/http://www.nmc.siu.edu/~beckham/lusk/news.html

It seems Pitman first joined as a studio engineer and then was "upgraded" to member of the band, and this probably happened a little prior the 2001 shows, because his name hadn't appeared in any press reports before.

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In regards to when Brain joined:

I don't think the Buckethead quote ("in the brain") refers to Brain. It sounds more likely a weirdly worded way to say that Buckethead joined on the spot.
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Post by Soulmonster on Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:33 am

@Blackstar wrote:About Pitman:

This was posted on a site on the band Lusk (in which Pitman was a member) on December 20, 1999:


Chris Pitman is now working for Axl Rose, doing engineering/writing work on the new GUNS 'N ROSES album.


https://web.archive.org/web/20010503180144/http://www.nmc.siu.edu/~beckham/lusk/news.html

It seems Pitman first joined as a studio engineer and then was "upgraded" to member of the band, and this probably happened a little prior the 2001 shows, because his name hadn't appeared in any press reports before.

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In regards to when Brain joined:

I don't think the Buckethead quote ("in the brain") refers to Brain. It sounds more likely a weirdly worded way to say that Buckethead joined on the spot.

Thank you!

I changed the text to reflect the ambigiuity of Bucket's comment.
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Post by Blackstar on Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:46 pm

From Steven's old official fansite, entry for October 15, 2000:
October 15th

Steven stopped by the Whiskey in Hollywood on Thursday night to catch Slash's Snakepit. Unfortunately, what could have been their first substantial reunion in years, turned sour.  It seemed as though Slash was just plain disinterested to see his old friend. After some chitchat, Stevie asked the guitarist what songs they were planning to do, absolutely willing to jam on anything if asked.  It was clear that no such request would be posed. During the conversation, Steven noticed that his girlfriend wasn't being allowed into the VIP area, and asked Slash if he could let her in.  Slash stated something to the effect of "no". Steven was genuinely hurt and offended that his old friend would show him such a lack of consideration.. He planted a firm middle finger in front of Slash and stormed off.  This was an incident between old friends, nothing more, and hopefully these two can just chill and hang out sometime! Ironically, Slash has spoken affectionately of Steven in recent interviews, and has said that the two keep in touch. Unfortunately, they do not - much to Steven's regret. We ended up next door at the CatClub where Stevie ran in to his old buddy Chris Weber, former GNR collaborator on such classics as "Anything Goes" and "Back Off Bitch". Chris is a youthful looking man who's own band, U.P.O., is quickly reaching Gold sales status of their debut CD, "No Pleasentries".  They enthusiastically caught up with each other and reminisced about old times. While in the club, at one point Stevie was trying to make his way across the crowded dance floor where the patrons were grooving it up to "Paradise City". One woman in particular was so into the song as she danced, that she wouldn't even budge to let Stevie through! If only she knew! Stevie and his brother Jamie, Chris Weber, Taylor, Kent and assorted other friends ended up at the Rainbow where we stayed until well past closing. Another wacky night in Hollywood!
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Post by Soulmonster on Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:16 am

Working on this chapter:

1993-1994
MATT'S WEDDING, DIVORCE, AND ACCUSATION OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE


Matt married his girlfriend Kai Benson in October 1993, although some sources puts the marriage to 1992 or earlier.


Matt and Kai's wedding


Also in October, Matt bought a Spanish-style house in Malibu, CA, for about $1 million, for him and his wife Kai [Real Estate Beat, October 31, 1993].

Unfortunately the marriage did not last, and in May 1994 it would be reported that the pair was getting divorced [The Windsor Star, May 20, 1994]. The divorce papers were filed on June 1, 1994 [People Magazine, June 20, 1994].

Matt also planned a drum clinic in Windsor, Ontario, Canada, on May 23, 1994 [The Windsor Star, May 20, 1994] but had to postpone [The Windsor Star, May 21, 1994] likely due to having to do a testimony after being charged, in true GN'R fashion, with spousal abuse [UPI, May 23, 1994]. The domestic violence, one misdemeanor count, was claimed to have happened on May 7 at their home at Maisel Avenue [UPI, May 23, 1994]. Matt pleaded innocent to the charge [UPI, May 23, 1994]. Pre-trial hearing was set for June 24 [People Magazine, June 20, 1994].

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Do we know what the outcome of the trial was? Another settlement, I assume.
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Post by Blackstar on Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:50 am

@Soulmonster wrote:Do we know what the outcome of the trial was? Another settlement, I assume.
According to the database on the Los Angeles Superior Court website, there was a jury trial and the outcome was "dismissed/not prosecuted".

The site doesn't display the link directly to the results page, so it's accessed only through the search page by entering the data:

http://www.lacourt.org/criminalcasesummary/ui/  
(Case number: 94M00876  / Courthouse location: Malibu courthouse).

Matt faced charges for the same or similar offences (solely or along with other offences) three more times in the subsequent years:

- Case number: 95M02405, Beverly Hills courthouse (Outcome: No trial / Guilty for one offence and probation after plea bargain with the prosecutor).

- Case number: 6HL01970, Hollywood courthouse (Outcome: Acquitted).

- Case number: 8HL03834, Hollywood courthouse (Outcome: No trial / Guilty for one offence and probation after plea bargain with the prosecutor / exonerated after completion of probation).


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Post by Blackstar on Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:41 pm

Since we are at it, here are the results for Axl's lawsuits with Stephanie Seymour and Erin Everly.

(Note: those were civil suits, whereas Matt's were criminal cases - Axl never faced criminal charges for those accusations).

Search page:

http://www.lacourt.org/casesummary/ui/index.aspx?casetype=civil

Stephanie Seymour civil suit: Case number BC088038, Santa Monica courthouse.
Outcome: No trial / "Dismissed - Other" (where "Other" in civil cases apparently includes settlement) on April 3, 1995.

Erin Everly civil suit: Case number SC028980, Santa Monica courthouse.
Outcome: No trial / "Dismissed - Other" on March 19, 1996.
(Not many data here about procedures - probably as part of the settlement or just because the case is old so the information is incomplete).
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Post by Soulmonster on Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:51 pm

@Blackstar wrote:


@Soulmonster wrote:Do we know what the outcome of the trial was? Another settlement, I assume.



According to the database on the Los Angeles Superior Court website, there was a jury trial and the outcome was "dismissed/not prosecuted".

The site doesn't display the link directly to the results page, so it's accessed only through the search page by entering the data:

http://www.lacourt.org/criminalcasesummary/ui/  
(Case number: 94M00876  / Courthouse location: Malibu courthouse).

Matt faced charges for the same or similar offences (solely or along with other offences) three more times in the subsequent years:

- Case number: 95M02405, Beverly Hills courthouse (Outcome: No trial / Guilty for one offence and probation after plea bargain with the prosecutor).

- Case number: 6HL01970, Hollywood courthouse (Outcome: Acquitted).

- Case number: 8HL03834, Hollywood courthouse (Outcome: No trial / Guilty for one offence and probation after plea bargain with the prosecutor / exonerated after completion of probation).

Thank you! I was looking at 8HL03834 and it sees to be he was not found guilty? The only case where he was found guilty was 95M02405 and then only for disturbing the peace. All charges of domestic violence was dismissed or acquitted.
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Post by Blackstar on Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:16 pm

@Soulmonster wrote:
Thank you! I was looking at 8HL03834 and it sees to be he was not found guilty? The only case where he was found guilty was 95M02405 and then only for disturbing the peace. All charges of domestic violence was dismissed or acquitted.
In 8HL03834 (1998) he pleaded nolo contendere (=accepted punishment in a plea bargain with the prosecution without admitting guilt). If you look at the "Sentencing Information" tab, he received sentence of 36 months on probation plus community service. In the "Events" tab there are court dates of "Progress report" from 1999 to 2000. And in 2004 the case was "Dismissed per 1203.4 P.C." which means that the probation was completed successfully and the conviction was dismissed.
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Post by Blackstar on Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:57 pm

Article, with Axl mention, about Jennifer Driver, a model from South Carolina whom Axl dated for an unknown period of time in 1994. Daily Press, June 19, 1995:

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If you don’t want to know the dating habits of troubled rocker Axl Rose ...

Or the intimate life details of a blond, 6-foot model named Jennifer ...

Or what that model thinks of Newport News ...

Then stop right here.

But if you’re into all that, we’ve got a treat. It’s more like a tale of obsession.

It started when our friend Pam recklessly showed us her Cosmopolitan while we were hanging at her Poquoson apartment.

Glenn picked up the fragrant magazine and, within seconds, found Jennifer on page 99. She was kneeling gently on a golden beach. A leopard-skin swimsuit covered a

tiny swatch of her Coppertone skin.

Above her floated two seemingly out-of-place words: “newport news.” That was the name of our beloved hometown! Right there in Cosmo!

Could this curvy supercreature live in Newport News? Perhaps — we hoped — she had posed on the sands of Huntington Park beach (just blocks from the headquarters of your Daily Press).

We were determined to find out. And find her. Reading the fine print at the bottom of the ad, we learned that “Newport News” is a fashion catalog headquartered in Hampton. So, in search of passion and romance, we went to the company’s offices on City Line Road.

Ken placed the ad on the receptionist’s desk, pointed to it and said, “We’re looking for this model.”

In between answering phone calls and giving us a these-guys-are-creepy look, the receptionist explained that it’s “highly unlikely” the figure on the page lives in Hampton Roads.

She suggested we try asking somebody at the Metropolitan Agency modeling agency

in New York.

Ken eagerly called. Finding out her name (Jennifer Driver) was easy, but finding her wasn’t.

First, Michelle, a chit-chatty Metropolitan representative, gave Ken a modeling agency’s number in Paris. Jennifer may be there, she said.

Ken called.

“(Insert incomprehensible French phrase here),” answered a fast-talking Parisian secretary. Annoyed, she switched to English when Ken started speaking American.

She said that Jennifer had flown to Milan (Italy, that is) for a fashion show the day before. The femme francais hung up on Ken before he could get a phone number.

So Ken dialed the 14-digit number again. This time a guy answered.

“Bon jour,” said Ken, trying a more PC (Pierre Correct) linguistic approach.

“Ooh la la,” replied the man (we’re not making this up) when Ken asked for Jennifer’s number in Milan. He then made a clicking sound with his tongue and said he didn’t know where she was staying.

Fortunately, though, Michelle in New York hooked us up. She gave us a number in Milan where we might find our Newport News beach princess. Ken left a message with Jennifer’s Canadian model-friend, with whom the object of his obsession was staying that week.

Then, after nearly two weeks of searching, it finally happened: Jennifer called Ken collect from Milan. (Sorry, boss.)

Before we tell you all about her personal life, there are a few things you should know: She’s 6 feet tall, 130 pounds, 21 years old, a real blond and not from Newport News. And the Cosmo photo-shoot wasn’t done within earshot of Warwick Boulevard. Try tropical Cabo San Lucas, Mexico.

“It was really cool, you know?” Jennifer said. “For swimwear jobs, they choose really cool places.”

She said she doesn’t remember posing for the jungle-cat shot that ran in Cosmo.

“I had so many swimsuits that afternoon,” she explained.

A Jennifer bonds: She has a Southern accent (she’s from Raleigh, N.C.).

One big drawback: She dated Axl Rose last year.

For those of you who don’t know about Mr. Rose, he’s lead singer of the band Guns ’n’ Roses and known for committing acts of violence against human beings.

“He’s really shy. He’s a very nice guy,” Jennifer promised. “He didn’t beat me up or anything like that. I’m a little bigger than him anyway.”

Let us remind you that she’s a towering 6 feet tall.


“I love it. I really do,” she said in a serious tone. “It’s very powerful.”

Jennifer is single, mostly because she lives out of her suitcase and doesn’t like the vain male models she works with.

“Anyone who looks in the mirror more than I do is out of the question,” she said.

She admitted to never setting a lovely tan foot in Newport News.

But don’t despair, readers. She may visit this August while in Virginia for a friend’s wedding.

“It’s not a goal for me right now to go to Newport,” she said. “But I want to visit. I’m always open for new places.”

About that ad in Cosmo, Jennifer. Do you like it as much as we do?

“That picture actually was shot at an angle that I look heavy in,” she said. “I look fat in it.”
Jennifer Driver had accompanied Axl in the Rock And Rock Hall Of Fame in Jan. 1994:
https://www.a-4-d.com/t4033-1994-01-19-axl-s-induction-speech-for-elton-john-at-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame#19942

She was also featured in the video for Since I Don't Have You.
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Post by Soulmonster on Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:09 am

The single for SIDHY was released in January. Assuming the music video accompanied it in January is safe to assume Axl and Driver started dating back in 1993.
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Post by Soulmonster on Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:16 am

I am really uncertain about what to do with his. I don't want the history section to focus on passing girlfriends, its too gossip-y. I think I will just mention her in one of the existing chapters and not make a new one for her and Axl.
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Post by Blackstar on Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:53 am

@Soulmonster wrote:I am really uncertain about what to do with his. I don't want the history section to focus on passing girlfriends, its too gossip-y. I think I will just mention her in one of the existing chapters and not make a new one for her and Axl.
Yes, I don't think it deserves its own chapter. It doesn't seem it was an "important" relationship anyway.

The SIDHY video must have been shot in February, as when the Kerrang issue from March was released the video hadn't been released yet.
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Post by Soulmonster on Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:50 am

@Blackstar wrote:
@Soulmonster wrote:I am really uncertain about what to do with his. I don't want the history section to focus on passing girlfriends, its too gossip-y. I think I will just mention her in one of the existing chapters and not make a new one for her and Axl.

Yes, I don't think it deserves its own chapter. It doesn't seem it was an "important" relationship anyway.

The SIDHY video must have been shot in February, as when the Kerrang issue from March was released the video hadn't been released yet.

Alright, thanks. I reserve chapters for important personal stuff like marriages and relationship with women that will directly affect the band or its music, and then I will just make passing remarks to other girlfriends when it fits.
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Post by Blackstar on Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:34 pm

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Alright, thanks. I reserve chapters for important personal stuff like marriages and relationship with women that will directly affect the band or its music, and then I will just make passing remarks to other girlfriends when it fits.
Yeah, I guess there could be a mention of the relationship and Jennifer Driver's comment about it in a chapter about the members' personal lives or Axl's personal life in particular.

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Speaking of videos, in his introduction to "The Language of Fear" Axl mentions that he and Del James had discussed a concept for a video for "Ain't It Fun" (apparently it didn't materialize). Maybe the quote could be included in the chapter about the "Ain't It Fun" single.

https://www.a-4-d.com/t4126-1995-01-01-introduction-to-the-language-of-fear-axl
Axl: I called Del James around the time that our album The Spaghetti Incident was coming out and wanted to see if he had any ideas for a video for the song “Ain’t It Fun.” We rapped for a while about the song—it’s a cover of a song originally done by the Dead Boys, which has a very desperate feel to it. Toward the end of our conversation, Del said that he saw it “dark, dreary, and addicted.”

Axl also mentions there that Del was going to write the script for a "Tales From The Crypt" episode and Axl was going to act in it:
Axl: At one point Andy Morahan, who directed “November Rain,” and I were asked to do an episode of Tales from the Crypt, so I asked Del to write the script, based on one of his stories. It would have given me an opportunity to do something that interests me—act. It would’ve given Del an opportunity to do something he wants to (and will) do, which is write for the screen. And it would’ve given Andy an opportunity to film it. Del didn’t feel he necessarily had the right story for Tales from the Crypt, so he wrote a short story called “The Immortals,” which I thought would’ve been cool to adapt, but then we found out they had to base their episodes on existing comics books. It never came to pass, but the story exists. When I think back about the Tales from the Crypt, Del’s story was really exciting, and that’s what it was all about: trying to figure out how to film that. Any story of Del’s that gets adapted into a screenplay is going to be intense, especially if he’s involved.
That never happened either, but interestingly enough Slash was featured in an episode of the same series (which, I suppose, didn't have to do anything with Del or Andy Morahan).
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