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Post by FromHell on Wed 5 Jun 2019 - 6:24

@Uli wrote:

@FromHell wrote:
Revelation/Mr. Varner manages Slash;
Mr. Klein manages Dough Mounts (and his daughter);
Piano Man manages himself while his live-ins, TeamBully, spend and flaunt y-o-u-r money;
...




What money? I haven't spent any money for GN'R for what seems like ages (I bought the Vegas dvd years ago - does that still count?)...

Thanks again for all the info and the summary here. My question is: what do you expect us to make out of all this or what should we do with it?




@FromHell wrote:Universal Recordings owns Piano Man’s remaining recordings, if any, from his solo band because it paid for them and thus owns Master Rights




Ok, but will they ever see the light of day (or dark of night)?




@FromHell wrote:Slash filed for divorce prior to NITL, thus all earnings thereafter are NOT marital property




Yep, heard that prior to the reunion (rumor was going round for quite some time - the source? Maybe you?)...  Smile




@FromHell wrote:
Mr. Stradlin is set to go this fall;
Messrs. Adler and Stradlin have been eerily silent in the build-up to this fall.




Will have to wait and see what'll happen.  Cool




@FromHell wrote:The only questions in Propagandaville, then, to me, are what happened to @Uli, one, and, two, is that an actual name?  




Nah, it's not a real name (well for some people it is, but not for me). Actually it is a company:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ULi
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Sorry for not getting back earlier, but unlike a few weeks/months ago (when I had time on my hands) I was too busy to be getting into this stuff here (for a while). Now I had some catching up to do, but it seems to me the most recent post was the most "important" one, so I quoted out of that one. Hope that's okay. Cool


ForumLand’s final two mysteries solved.  Uli was, in fact, not kidnapped by aliens.  Nor was he starring in the Beaver picture.  Much to the ladies’ chagrin, I can only presume.  But he self-applies the moniker of a chipset manufacturer acquired by an American concern?

Maybe he was abducted by aliens, after all.  Or is one.  

But who can tell?  He posted a link to a page that, when opened, is straight-up hieroglyphics.  Google (an American concern:  Alphabet, Inc.) translate cannot decipher hieroglyphics or, really, any language that ain’t American.  Only humans know this.

Suspect.  At best.

To the substance or your reply:

You slice and dice with all the precision of a meat grinder.  We’ve been through this.  Stay clear of the yellow highlighter.  You hack and whack my posts with all the accuracy of a digital librarian—or a collector of trinkets and minutiae.  “It puts the lotion in the basket.”  We’ve been through that, too, in the intervening months.

You got one thing unequivocally correct:  my latest post was a summary.  For me, that is, as I head into what I expect to be my final posts in ForumLand.  Makes it easier for me to keep track of what’s what.  It likewise is a shot across the bow for the wannabes and plagiarists to either quote or attribute, or both.

“What do [I] expect [you] to make out of all of this or what should [you] do with it?”

Don’t worry about it.  This shit takes on a life of its own.  People know the truth when they see it.  And some of these people are either professionals in one of two specific fields or just trued-up intelligent.  The bikka’s—if that is an actual name (apologies as I know that he/she ain’t the first, just the most recent who stands out)—et al of the world rise from seemingly nowhere and strike phosphorous from there.  Any time that I’m linked to a thread elsewhere in ForumLand, and if I open it and scroll through, my immediate reaction is always “who tf is this” and “who tf is that” and, generally, “wtf.”  These gents/gals have never spoken to me, but are ripping through the pseudo-power peddling elsewhere based solely on my posts AND not getting banned by the sycophant cowards waiting on the next bone tossed their way by the wholly irrelevant ThugsBrazil since the reconstitution of the Gn’R GP about an amp in a supposed location or whatnot.

In the coming weeks, there’ll be a (relative) spike in views on this thread and on this site.  I suspect that it’ll likewise bring further registered users beyond whatever I’ve already sparked.

Mark my word.

And that’s considering that the proprietor of this site is perhaps inexplicably modest, or even timid, in his marketing.  He’s got the goods in this very thread.  Goods that’ll be found nowhere else in ForumLand.  And he’s got a self-compiled catalogue—a throwback to an actual card catalogue—reserve of all published things Gn’R related, and even though that ain’t my thing, I recognize that it is for others.

“Ok, but will they ever see the light of day (or dark of night)?”

Of the entirety of my summary of…myself, this is your question?  

I literally have no idea.   Without exaggeration, it’s akin to you asking me if Howard Hughes’ toenail clippings from his Vegas self-imprisonment will see the light of day.  It’s so off the radar of what’s reality, how could anyone not a self-admitted bullshit artist such as Messiah Sells Lies even address it?  UMG is the Master Rights holder to these scraps, if any.  Period.  We’ve been through this.  The “dilemma” is the sole subject, if I’m not much mistaken, that I did not return to that I said that I would.  Given Slash’s (the GPs de-facto spox) most recently published interview, I do not see any reason to delve into the Vivendi/UMG info, terms and liability that I have.  That’s a tricky area, anyhow.  This new shit is recorded and ready to go.  And has been.  On terms that are acceptable to all three GPs, apparently, even if two of them are being bent over from the bridge-burning behavior of the other in his past solo band.
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Post by Uli on Wed 5 Jun 2019 - 13:12

Yay, I see, you're right, maybe it's time to forget about Axl's old recordings and look forward to any new stuff from the three GPs (plus new band "members").

Still, I'm interested in the UMG/Vivendi situation.

The name "Uli" is mostly an abbreviation of a longer name, for some though it is their full name (lazy parents, I guess). Very Happy
The link was what I'd found after googling "Uli" just for the fun of it. I'll find more for you later in the year.

(I love "The Big Lebowski" btw and that scene is hilarious, despite the obvious clichés about Germans.)

Btw, I guess I am one of those who click on this topic again and again after a new post - so the "numbers" are not really trustworthy (or let's say you have to deduct those numbers of users re-clicking after new response).

Ok, so now "we know" about the General Partnership of the "Original Partners". According to you, those are "goods nowhere to be found in Forumland" (be that as it may, I can't tell, as my personal view of "Forumland" is rather limited to only very few sites).
Still, I'm not sure what to make of it. Does it "help" us in any way? Ok, maybe we can make more sense of what has been said in various interviews, but ... on the whole: does it change anything for us as GNR "fans"?
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Post by FromHell on Thu 6 Jun 2019 - 5:04

@Soulmonster wrote:I would guess that the band Guns N' Roses is pretty much Axl these days, and he is managed by TB. Slash and Duff has some kind of agreement with the band where they will tour and (hopefully) record and release music, but with their own management. So legally speaking it could be a case of this in reality being "Guns N' Roses featuring Slash and Duff", but from marketing purposes it is probably better to not go into that.

Then there is a partnership where all the three guys are included as partners, but that is to regulate business aspects of the discography etc.

I suppose @Blackbird can fill us in Smile







Recognizing that you posted the above quote prior to my post re the statutory requirements codified under RUPA governing the registration, organization, and internal affairs of a partnership and the rights and duties of partners in a partnership and RUPA default and mandatory rules both with and in the absence of a partnership agreement, I suspect that you now understand how grossly uneducated that you were on the matter.

No one likes to be caught with their pants down.  That includes me.  The above quote, however, catches you with your drawers all the way down.  To your ankles.  The upside?  Confident I am that you are independent and have zero inclination, in the above post or any other, to propagandize or peddle myth—or promote yourself as a perverted Propagandaville power player phony prancing about in the hopes that the live-ins of one Partner toss a bone your way.  In the coming weeks, when more and more eyes hit this thread, all readers ought to know that I vouch for @soulmonster and his site.  With zero reservation.  And he’s assembled a helluva archive of all things Gn’R-related, to boot.  That’s the type of thing that fans want to see, and he’s accumulated it.

He’s likewise accumulating—and hosting—knowledge that can be found nowhere else in ForumLand (excepting, to an extent, my “Who’s the Boss now, bitches” thread in a debauched corner of ForumLand) or the “media” about matters that de-myth and de-bullshit and straight-up wreck the petty, pretentious proxies of TeamBully clinging to the perception of power that perhaps once existed during the Howard Hughes years of the singer’s solo band when no adult Americans were paying attention.

And, so?  Let’s git to it.  Beyond my prior partnership-related post, RUPA § 105 shreds the above quote. Now you know.  Start pulling those drawers back up.  RUPA § 303 shreds the (yawn) power bit.  As stated, where these circling partnership agreements are silent, RUPA default rules govern.

There is zero room for opinion on these matters.  Yours, mine or anyone else.

And here’s a tip for rookies:  excepting the sole proprietorship, the general partnership is the only org that need NOT indicate in its name the type of org that it is because it is a common law org even though it is now governed by statute.  Any other partnership—LP, LLP, LLC—must be indicated in its name.  You need not, however, rely upon that or even search the Cali DOS for said answer when Ms. Pietrini filed a trademark complaint in federal district court on May 9, 2019 providing said legal facts.

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And it’s that simple.

a-4-d.com brings you the answers.  These answers, particularly about the GP, master rights and service marks defeat the bulk of ad nauseum threads in ForumLand condoned by those reliant upon the penny adverts and hopes that the live-ins of one Partner will throw a bone their way.  a-4-d.com is likewise prime grounds for an uncensored Q&A.  I’ve been told that I’m everyone from Mr. Niven to @justanurchin to Messiah Sells Lies to BBA (tweets included, and if that is an actual name), and more.  Humbled though I am, let’s get as serious as RUPA.  Messrs. Klein and Varner are likewise professionals with actual skills. Piano Man’s live-ins?

Send any of them my way on this uncensored medium, including the “media” plagiarists so noted in this very thread.  And you, the reader and Gn’R fan, wins.
 
But we all know that ain’t happenin.  I’d roll outta bed with a hangover and a thai hooker flat on her back and proceed to swat them down before I even got my bearings.
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Post by FromHell on Thu 6 Jun 2019 - 6:57

Rumor has it that the trike ridin frenchie is itchin to get back in the game given my posts.

I don’t presume to speak for @soulmonster, but his site is as good as any.  You want an uncensored beatdown? I’m confident that he’ll host it.

I sent you packing once.  We both know that I’ll do it again.  Simply tag me, frenchie.

Say when.
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Post by FromHell on Fri 7 Jun 2019 - 6:10

@Blackstar wrote:




@Soulmonster wrote:
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I suppose @Blackbird can fill us in Smile






Very Happy
(I could have this username though. I like the song - the Beatles one, I mean, not the shitty one by Myles' band Razz )

I think it's legally a partnership, but, like in the 90s and maybe even earlier, they have no choice but adjust to Axl's "abnormal" way and pace of doing things.
On the other hand, there are some things and situations that have changed since then. For example, Slash has another band, his own band which is a permanent and steady thing, unlike Snakepit and even Velvet Revolver, and with which he can make the music he likes in his own terms and pace - a "painless" band, as he called it recently. And, of course, they all have changed as people.





Two of the three general partners “…have no choice but to adjust…” to the third?

The quoted post occurred prior to my posts re RUPA and partnership agreements generally, so I trust that you now have somewhat of a passing familiarity with RUPAs mandatory and default provisions.  Under the default rules, each partner has equal ownership and management interests.  Because RUPA follows the aggregate UPA rules, each partner has equal legal authority—each partner is the business itself.

The mandatory RUPA provisions are controlling regardless of language in a PA, including a partner’s conduct (duty of care, duty of loyalty, good faith and fair dealing, etc.).  A partner cannot engage in grossly negligent or reckless conduct—or even intentional misconduct—or a knowing violation of the law regardless of language in the PA.  Where would assaulting a paying customer who is photographing you while you are performing fall?  Refusing to take the stage on-time night after night, year after year and the damage that it causes the partnership name and its other partners?  Forcing enormous expenses of fines and union overages onto the partnership as a result of your conduct?  Bullying your paying customers and/or condoning said behavior by your proxies, both on and offline?  Other arrests for assault or battery?  Violating local ordinances and curfews?  Inciting riots?

Because a person is a general partner doesn’t mean that he knows the first thing about partnership agreements or RUPAs default or mandatory rules.  To wit, a true story:

If two partners are young and dumb, high and drunk and have no legal counsel and no manager to protect their interests, they may be confronted by a roadie working at the behest of another partner with an amendment to the PA regarding the service mark and consent to that transfer of ownership provided certain future conditions are met while both are simultaneously being bent over with enormous financial losses and exposure to liability being brought onto the partnership by another partner’s r-e-p-e-a-t-e-d criminal, negligent and reckless conduct—or (daily, on tour) intentional misconduct.

Those two Remaining, Original partners got it together after NYD 1996.  They have their own management and counsel.  They maintained control of the Partnership assets and trademarks for two decades until the third brought the service mark back into the ownership of the other two.

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Which partner had “no choice but to adjust,” err, was forced to comply?  When the other two partners have separate management and counsel to protect and enforce the interests of their clients, it requires the third to perform his partnership duties.  For 160 consecutive shows or thereabouts since 2016, the third partner hasn’t made a peep from the stage, had his ass on stage on time (or early), treated paying customers with respect, obeyed local ordinances and curfews, and did not engage in behavior that brought losses or potential liability to the other partners.  Sounds as if this is a page ripped from Slash's book published a decade or so ago, don't it?

NXIVM existed.  Or did, anyhow, right up until last year when intelligent people were knocked over by the putrefaction.  What are my two threads at in ForumLand—16,000 or so views on 160 or so posts?  How many “unique” sets of eyes is that?  Plenty, I’d guess.  Word is out.  And there’s no shortage of intelligent people in ForumLand.  Besides a few monitors, who the Hell else would be reading mini manifestos about partnership agreements, service marks and the like?  And I ain't even the esoteric type.  @Uli no doubt has my back on that.
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Post by FromHell on Sun 9 Jun 2019 - 5:12

@Uli wrote:Yay, I see, you're right, maybe it's time to forget about Axl's old recordings and look forward to any new stuff from the three GPs (plus new band "members").

Still, I'm interested in the UMG/Vivendi situation.

The name "Uli" is mostly an abbreviation of a longer name, for some though it is their full name (lazy parents, I guess). Very Happy
The link was what I'd found after googling "Uli" just for the fun of it. I'll find more for you later in the year.

(I love "The Big Lebowski" btw and that scene is hilarious, despite the obvious clichés about Germans.)

Btw, I guess I am one of those who click on this topic again and again after a new post - so the "numbers" are not really trustworthy (or let's say you have to deduct those numbers of users re-clicking after new response).

Ok, so now "we know" about the General Partnership of the "Original Partners". According to you, those are "goods nowhere to be found in Forumland" (be that as it may, I can't tell, as my personal view of "Forumland" is rather limited to only very few sites).
Still, I'm not sure what to make of it. Does it "help" us in any way? Ok, maybe we can make more sense of what has been said in various interviews, but ... on the whole: does it change anything for us as GNR "fans"?

“[D]oes it change anything for us as GNR ‘fans’?”

Is that a trick question?

Forget about the financial desperation and irrelevance (at best) prompting the singer to make a prudent biz move—his first of which I am aware—the moment that he began voting with the other two general partners changed everything. The unleashing of Original Gn’R assets—synch, licensing, and Gn’R marks (“merch”) and copyrights is enormous bank. The gate alone places NITL squarely at, or very near, the top of highest grossing in history. What, a half of a billion? That’s a long way from a solo band playing (bad) AFD covers at Brooklyn Bowl. The AFD boxset. The recording of new music. The upcoming release of new music. More scheduled touring.

Required partner conduct—treating customers with respect, on-time (and even early) to the stage night in and out, not engaging in conduct exposing the other partners to liability, not incurring losses to the partnership through intentional misconduct, division of loss, no rants, bullying or other embarrassing conduct resulting in damages to the partnership and its brand, no cancelled shows caused by intentional misconduct, no grossly negligent or criminal behavior—restored goodwill and value to the brand. Paying customers, promoters, insurers, venues, venue employees, unionized crews, the award-winning production and tour manager et al can now do business with/for this GP and purchase its entertainment services with trust and reliability.

And let us not forget that the three partners voted to do it the right way from the jump: to reunite not just the Remaining, Original partners but to include the two other original partners. An actual reunion to tour, arguably, the baddest rn’r album in history. Greed and injury resulted in a far different service at the Troubadour and thereafter, true.

By all measures, the GnR GP needs a convoy of Brink’s trucks to transport its loot. And it has new material to release, to boot. And a scheduled tour. That’s verifiable, real-world shit—cause and effect. But why do I not think that is what you meant by your question? Or, maybe, I don't understand the question?
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Post by FromHell on Sun 9 Jun 2019 - 6:17

@Uli wrote:Yay, I see, you're right, maybe it's time to forget about Axl's old recordings and look forward to any new stuff from the three GPs (plus new band "members").

Still, I'm interested in the UMG/Vivendi situation.

The name "Uli" is mostly an abbreviation of a longer name, for some though it is their full name (lazy parents, I guess). Very Happy
The link was what I'd found after googling "Uli" just for the fun of it. I'll find more for you later in the year.

(I love "The Big Lebowski" btw and that scene is hilarious, despite the obvious clichés about Germans.)

Btw, I guess I am one of those who click on this topic again and again after a new post - so the "numbers" are not really trustworthy (or let's say you have to deduct those numbers of users re-clicking after new response).

Ok, so now "we know" about the General Partnership of the "Original Partners". According to you, those are "goods nowhere to be found in Forumland" (be that as it may, I can't tell, as my personal view of "Forumland" is rather limited to only very few sites).
Still, I'm not sure what to make of it. Does it "help" us in any way? Ok, maybe we can make more sense of what has been said in various interviews, but ... on the whole: does it change anything for us as GNR "fans"?


How does it change (affect) ForumLanders, you mean?  Answer #2:

There are users with thousands of posts, and some (that I’ve seen with my own eyes) over 10,000 posts.  Withholding obvious judgment to be had, I git it.  There is a cluster of highly suggestible people who began reading ForumLand self-serving fairy tales (and the vacuous “media”) upwards of 15-20 years ago and, in turn, began regurgitating said propaganda.  Heaven’s Gate was real.  So, too, were the Branch Davidians.  And many others.  Just as you might view NXIVM, I view ForumLand (minus the forced labor and sex slaves).  Or did, anyhow.

Thank me later for de-bullshitting and de-mything ForumLand.  And the best part of it?  I explain basic concepts (complex, perhaps, to others), then support them with facts within the public domain—in statutes, legal averments, causes of action, complaints and answers, and the like.  I receive zero pecuniary benefit for doing so.  But I do get the satisfaction of banishing the self-admitted bullshit artists preying upon the uneducated and those with American language skills that are but a notch above one partner’s bully live-ins.  I get the satisfaction of boxing in the final, remaining censors who push myth (and imply “insider power” to themselves) all for a handful of dimes from penny adverts while they keep their subjects bowing, praying and in lockstep for a scrap tossed beneath the table.

There is, as stated, no shortage of intelligent people in ForumLand.  When is the last (or any) time that you’ve heard that from the myth-peddlers or power-player wannabes feeding you what they want you to “know” or think you should “hear?”  Directed to irrefutable fact in the public domain that is explained in such a way as to give them insight, how can the intelligent be stopped regardless of American language skills?  They cannot.

Much has changed throughout ForumLand as a result of my posts.

Examples, you may ask, that have changed ForumLand and already run off the fetid few and boxed in the remaining censoring panderers acting as proxies.  Who is original Gn’R and why is that a legal fact?  What is the Gn’R GP?  Who owns Gn’R assets?  Why would the singer, his proxies and a debauched few in ForumLand groom readers to believe that his solo band and solo record was anything but a solo band/record distinct from Original Gn’R when it is irrefutable fact?  Who manages Slash?  Who manages DMoney?  Who is Ms. Warner?  Who employs her?  What is a partnership agreement?  Which RUPA mandatory rules govern inconsistent PA language, if any?  What about RUPA default rules where the PA is silent?  What is a service mark?  How does a service mark differentiate from a trademark, and how is it that Slash, Duff Markets, and Piano Man now own said service mark?  When TeamBully flaunts money and taunts, from whose pockets did that ‘entitled’ money originate?  What are master rights and how do they end this NXIVM groupthink about scraps, if any?  What are gag orders and NDAs and why is that Slash is the defacto Gn’R spox?  What are advances and why are the recoupable?  What is the DCMA and how to distinguish bootlegging from copyright violations?  Shall I go on?

I could go on for not quite literally days, as I’m sure that you’ll agree by now.  Let’s just have a look-see at the last in the list.  ForumLanders shouldn’t be publishing manipulated a/v footage from concerts with an expectation that it cannot and will not be censored.  ‘Everyone does it,’ I guess, is the argument.  And ‘the GP or label’ can just advertise against it.  These people have spent, presumably, many hours splicing and dicing the a/v files to make the band look and sound its best.  All good and well, and true, even.  They then turn to ForumLand seeking answers following censorship.  Notwithstanding turning to censors re censoring questions is definitional ironic, are they directed to DMCA, informed that the person(s) filming the live performance is the copyright holder(s)?  Are they informed that they, by their splicing and dicing of said a/v files are the copyright holder(s) of the final product?  Does anyone, anywhere, mention that it is an absurdity to state that they are violating copyright law when they, are in fact, the copyright holder?  Does anyone, anywhere, say, that this is bootlegging without commercial gain and that is how a bootlegger should frame an appeal?  That the payola Vivendi/UMG paid for the cranes, cameras and operators on NITL?  No, instead the censoring svengali’s pretend power:

uli—six of one is half a dozen of the other.  negotiations are at pitched fever at the top levels behind the scenes.  this shit is sensitive, but what i can tell you now is that i have a thumb drive.  its got zeros and ones on it.  zeros and ones are in the singer’s live-ins phone number.  when this particular thumb drive is longer than the zeros and ones are heavy, i will release it.

Err, wait, I sent him packing via trike to the buffet a few years ago.  Allow me to try again?

@Uli.  This is disgusting and reprehensible.  An outrage, frankly.  I have assembled the top minds in canada (if that is an actual place) to git to the bottom of this unacceptable, immoral and outrageous “take-down” behavior.  Did I mention that it is outrageous?  And criminal, even.  And, I don’t even know what the Hell I’m talking about, but this is unacceptable and I expect Del (if that is an actual name) to toss me a gnawed-upon bone in the coming months.  There are threats from one of the live-in’s proxies.  Threats to families.  To children.  To house pets.  To the weak and infirm.  And, umm, to actual people.  I have the threats (did I mention that these are outrageous) on a thumb drive.  I cannot and will NOT tolerate threats.  The best and brightest canadians (if that is actual place) are on top of this.  We will NOT sleep (excepting my deranged obsession with American politics even though I ain’t American) until the perpetrators of this OUTRAGEOUS conduct are brought to justice.

Six months later…

In any event, it says that you’re turning 50 when I logged-in.  Congrats on the first 50, and all the best for the next 50.  Ladies, beware.
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Post by Uli on Tue 11 Jun 2019 - 11:30

Yes, thank you, my b-day is tomorrow, so not just arrived there yet. Very Happy

Thank you also for the explanation. IF much has changed in Forumland, I'm sure it was worth the effort.
For myself: I certainly learned a lot about GP and what effect this does have on GNR (and had in the past).

Well I certainly hope someone (anyone, Canadian or not) can stop the unnecessary "taking down" of fan-made videos. Of course, any kind of threat(s) is even more unnecessary and un-wanted.

This is a long topic now and some posts are really difficult to fathom (for me at least), but I guess in the end, one can come to an understanding of it all. Thanks for all your efforts.

Let's hope one day they'll manage to bring on Adler and Izzy to the same stage (for a few songs or a whole show).

New music would be much appreciated of course. Cool
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