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Post by FromHell on Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:24 am

@Uli wrote:

@FromHell wrote:
Revelation/Mr. Varner manages Slash;
Mr. Klein manages Dough Mounts (and his daughter);
Piano Man manages himself while his live-ins, TeamBully, spend and flaunt y-o-u-r money;
...




What money? I haven't spent any money for GN'R for what seems like ages (I bought the Vegas dvd years ago - does that still count?)...

Thanks again for all the info and the summary here. My question is: what do you expect us to make out of all this or what should we do with it?




@FromHell wrote:Universal Recordings owns Piano Man’s remaining recordings, if any, from his solo band because it paid for them and thus owns Master Rights




Ok, but will they ever see the light of day (or dark of night)?




@FromHell wrote:Slash filed for divorce prior to NITL, thus all earnings thereafter are NOT marital property




Yep, heard that prior to the reunion (rumor was going round for quite some time - the source? Maybe you?)...  Smile




@FromHell wrote:
Mr. Stradlin is set to go this fall;
Messrs. Adler and Stradlin have been eerily silent in the build-up to this fall.




Will have to wait and see what'll happen.  Cool




@FromHell wrote:The only questions in Propagandaville, then, to me, are what happened to @Uli, one, and, two, is that an actual name?  




Nah, it's not a real name (well for some people it is, but not for me). Actually it is a company:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ULi
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Sorry for not getting back earlier, but unlike a few weeks/months ago (when I had time on my hands) I was too busy to be getting into this stuff here (for a while). Now I had some catching up to do, but it seems to me the most recent post was the most "important" one, so I quoted out of that one. Hope that's okay. Cool


ForumLand’s final two mysteries solved.  Uli was, in fact, not kidnapped by aliens.  Nor was he starring in the Beaver picture.  Much to the ladies’ chagrin, I can only presume.  But he self-applies the moniker of a chipset manufacturer acquired by an American concern?

Maybe he was abducted by aliens, after all.  Or is one.  

But who can tell?  He posted a link to a page that, when opened, is straight-up hieroglyphics.  Google (an American concern:  Alphabet, Inc.) translate cannot decipher hieroglyphics or, really, any language that ain’t American.  Only humans know this.

Suspect.  At best.

To the substance or your reply:

You slice and dice with all the precision of a meat grinder.  We’ve been through this.  Stay clear of the yellow highlighter.  You hack and whack my posts with all the accuracy of a digital librarian—or a collector of trinkets and minutiae.  “It puts the lotion in the basket.”  We’ve been through that, too, in the intervening months.

You got one thing unequivocally correct:  my latest post was a summary.  For me, that is, as I head into what I expect to be my final posts in ForumLand.  Makes it easier for me to keep track of what’s what.  It likewise is a shot across the bow for the wannabes and plagiarists to either quote or attribute, or both.

“What do [I] expect [you] to make out of all of this or what should [you] do with it?”

Don’t worry about it.  This shit takes on a life of its own.  People know the truth when they see it.  And some of these people are either professionals in one of two specific fields or just trued-up intelligent.  The bikka’s—if that is an actual name (apologies as I know that he/she ain’t the first, just the most recent who stands out)—et al of the world rise from seemingly nowhere and strike phosphorous from there.  Any time that I’m linked to a thread elsewhere in ForumLand, and if I open it and scroll through, my immediate reaction is always “who tf is this” and “who tf is that” and, generally, “wtf.”  These gents/gals have never spoken to me, but are ripping through the pseudo-power peddling elsewhere based solely on my posts AND not getting banned by the sycophant cowards waiting on the next bone tossed their way by the wholly irrelevant ThugsBrazil since the reconstitution of the Gn’R GP about an amp in a supposed location or whatnot.

In the coming weeks, there’ll be a (relative) spike in views on this thread and on this site.  I suspect that it’ll likewise bring further registered users beyond whatever I’ve already sparked.

Mark my word.

And that’s considering that the proprietor of this site is perhaps inexplicably modest, or even timid, in his marketing.  He’s got the goods in this very thread.  Goods that’ll be found nowhere else in ForumLand.  And he’s got a self-compiled catalogue—a throwback to an actual card catalogue—reserve of all published things Gn’R related, and even though that ain’t my thing, I recognize that it is for others.

“Ok, but will they ever see the light of day (or dark of night)?”

Of the entirety of my summary of…myself, this is your question?  

I literally have no idea.   Without exaggeration, it’s akin to you asking me if Howard Hughes’ toenail clippings from his Vegas self-imprisonment will see the light of day.  It’s so off the radar of what’s reality, how could anyone not a self-admitted bullshit artist such as Messiah Sells Lies even address it?  UMG is the Master Rights holder to these scraps, if any.  Period.  We’ve been through this.  The “dilemma” is the sole subject, if I’m not much mistaken, that I did not return to that I said that I would.  Given Slash’s (the GPs de-facto spox) most recently published interview, I do not see any reason to delve into the Vivendi/UMG info, terms and liability that I have.  That’s a tricky area, anyhow.  This new shit is recorded and ready to go.  And has been.  On terms that are acceptable to all three GPs, apparently, even if two of them are being bent over from the bridge-burning behavior of the other in his past solo band.
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Post by Uli on Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:12 pm

Yay, I see, you're right, maybe it's time to forget about Axl's old recordings and look forward to any new stuff from the three GPs (plus new band "members").

Still, I'm interested in the UMG/Vivendi situation.

The name "Uli" is mostly an abbreviation of a longer name, for some though it is their full name (lazy parents, I guess). Very Happy
The link was what I'd found after googling "Uli" just for the fun of it. I'll find more for you later in the year.

(I love "The Big Lebowski" btw and that scene is hilarious, despite the obvious clichés about Germans.)

Btw, I guess I am one of those who click on this topic again and again after a new post - so the "numbers" are not really trustworthy (or let's say you have to deduct those numbers of users re-clicking after new response).

Ok, so now "we know" about the General Partnership of the "Original Partners". According to you, those are "goods nowhere to be found in Forumland" (be that as it may, I can't tell, as my personal view of "Forumland" is rather limited to only very few sites).
Still, I'm not sure what to make of it. Does it "help" us in any way? Ok, maybe we can make more sense of what has been said in various interviews, but ... on the whole: does it change anything for us as GNR "fans"?
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Post by FromHell on Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:04 am

@Soulmonster wrote:I would guess that the band Guns N' Roses is pretty much Axl these days, and he is managed by TB. Slash and Duff has some kind of agreement with the band where they will tour and (hopefully) record and release music, but with their own management. So legally speaking it could be a case of this in reality being "Guns N' Roses featuring Slash and Duff", but from marketing purposes it is probably better to not go into that.

Then there is a partnership where all the three guys are included as partners, but that is to regulate business aspects of the discography etc.

I suppose @Blackbird can fill us in Smile







Recognizing that you posted the above quote prior to my post re the statutory requirements codified under RUPA governing the registration, organization, and internal affairs of a partnership and the rights and duties of partners in a partnership and RUPA default and mandatory rules both with and in the absence of a partnership agreement, I suspect that you now understand how grossly uneducated that you were on the matter.

No one likes to be caught with their pants down.  That includes me.  The above quote, however, catches you with your drawers all the way down.  To your ankles.  The upside?  Confident I am that you are independent and have zero inclination, in the above post or any other, to propagandize or peddle myth—or promote yourself as a perverted Propagandaville power player phony prancing about in the hopes that the live-ins of one Partner toss a bone your way.  In the coming weeks, when more and more eyes hit this thread, all readers ought to know that I vouch for @soulmonster and his site.  With zero reservation.  And he’s assembled a helluva archive of all things Gn’R-related, to boot.  That’s the type of thing that fans want to see, and he’s accumulated it.

He’s likewise accumulating—and hosting—knowledge that can be found nowhere else in ForumLand (excepting, to an extent, my “Who’s the Boss now, bitches” thread in a debauched corner of ForumLand) or the “media” about matters that de-myth and de-bullshit and straight-up wreck the petty, pretentious proxies of TeamBully clinging to the perception of power that perhaps once existed during the Howard Hughes years of the singer’s solo band when no adult Americans were paying attention.

And, so?  Let’s git to it.  Beyond my prior partnership-related post, RUPA § 105 shreds the above quote. Now you know.  Start pulling those drawers back up.  RUPA § 303 shreds the (yawn) power bit.  As stated, where these circling partnership agreements are silent, RUPA default rules govern.

There is zero room for opinion on these matters.  Yours, mine or anyone else.

And here’s a tip for rookies:  excepting the sole proprietorship, the general partnership is the only org that need NOT indicate in its name the type of org that it is because it is a common law org even though it is now governed by statute.  Any other partnership—LP, LLP, LLC—must be indicated in its name.  You need not, however, rely upon that or even search the Cali DOS for said answer when Ms. Pietrini filed a trademark complaint in federal district court on May 9, 2019 providing said legal facts.

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And it’s that simple.

a-4-d.com brings you the answers.  These answers, particularly about the GP, master rights and service marks defeat the bulk of ad nauseum threads in ForumLand condoned by those reliant upon the penny adverts and hopes that the live-ins of one Partner will throw a bone their way.  a-4-d.com is likewise prime grounds for an uncensored Q&A.  I’ve been told that I’m everyone from Mr. Niven to @justanurchin to Messiah Sells Lies to BBA (tweets included, and if that is an actual name), and more.  Humbled though I am, let’s get as serious as RUPA.  Messrs. Klein and Varner are likewise professionals with actual skills. Piano Man’s live-ins?

Send any of them my way on this uncensored medium, including the “media” plagiarists so noted in this very thread.  And you, the reader and Gn’R fan, wins.
 
But we all know that ain’t happenin.  I’d roll outta bed with a hangover and a thai hooker flat on her back and proceed to swat them down before I even got my bearings.
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Post by FromHell on Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:57 am

Rumor has it that the trike ridin frenchie is itchin to get back in the game given my posts.

I don’t presume to speak for @soulmonster, but his site is as good as any.  You want an uncensored beatdown? I’m confident that he’ll host it.

I sent you packing once.  We both know that I’ll do it again.  Simply tag me, frenchie.

Say when.
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Post by FromHell on Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:10 am

@Blackstar wrote:




@Soulmonster wrote:
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I suppose @Blackbird can fill us in Smile






Very Happy
(I could have this username though. I like the song - the Beatles one, I mean, not the shitty one by Myles' band Razz )

I think it's legally a partnership, but, like in the 90s and maybe even earlier, they have no choice but adjust to Axl's "abnormal" way and pace of doing things.
On the other hand, there are some things and situations that have changed since then. For example, Slash has another band, his own band which is a permanent and steady thing, unlike Snakepit and even Velvet Revolver, and with which he can make the music he likes in his own terms and pace - a "painless" band, as he called it recently. And, of course, they all have changed as people.





Two of the three general partners “…have no choice but to adjust…” to the third?

The quoted post occurred prior to my posts re RUPA and partnership agreements generally, so I trust that you now have somewhat of a passing familiarity with RUPAs mandatory and default provisions.  Under the default rules, each partner has equal ownership and management interests.  Because RUPA follows the aggregate UPA rules, each partner has equal legal authority—each partner is the business itself.

The mandatory RUPA provisions are controlling regardless of language in a PA, including a partner’s conduct (duty of care, duty of loyalty, good faith and fair dealing, etc.).  A partner cannot engage in grossly negligent or reckless conduct—or even intentional misconduct—or a knowing violation of the law regardless of language in the PA.  Where would assaulting a paying customer who is photographing you while you are performing fall?  Refusing to take the stage on-time night after night, year after year and the damage that it causes the partnership name and its other partners?  Forcing enormous expenses of fines and union overages onto the partnership as a result of your conduct?  Bullying your paying customers and/or condoning said behavior by your proxies, both on and offline?  Other arrests for assault or battery?  Violating local ordinances and curfews?  Inciting riots?

Because a person is a general partner doesn’t mean that he knows the first thing about partnership agreements or RUPAs default or mandatory rules.  To wit, a true story:

If two partners are young and dumb, high and drunk and have no legal counsel and no manager to protect their interests, they may be confronted by a roadie working at the behest of another partner with an amendment to the PA regarding the service mark and consent to that transfer of ownership provided certain future conditions are met while both are simultaneously being bent over with enormous financial losses and exposure to liability being brought onto the partnership by another partner’s r-e-p-e-a-t-e-d criminal, negligent and reckless conduct—or (daily, on tour) intentional misconduct.

Those two Remaining, Original partners got it together after NYD 1996.  They have their own management and counsel.  They maintained control of the Partnership assets and trademarks for two decades until the third brought the service mark back into the ownership of the other two.

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Which partner had “no choice but to adjust,” err, was forced to comply?  When the other two partners have separate management and counsel to protect and enforce the interests of their clients, it requires the third to perform his partnership duties.  For 160 consecutive shows or thereabouts since 2016, the third partner hasn’t made a peep from the stage, had his ass on stage on time (or early), treated paying customers with respect, obeyed local ordinances and curfews, and did not engage in behavior that brought losses or potential liability to the other partners.  Sounds as if this is a page ripped from Slash's book published a decade or so ago, don't it?

NXIVM existed.  Or did, anyhow, right up until last year when intelligent people were knocked over by the putrefaction.  What are my two threads at in ForumLand—16,000 or so views on 160 or so posts?  How many “unique” sets of eyes is that?  Plenty, I’d guess.  Word is out.  And there’s no shortage of intelligent people in ForumLand.  Besides a few monitors, who the Hell else would be reading mini manifestos about partnership agreements, service marks and the like?  And I ain't even the esoteric type.  @Uli no doubt has my back on that.
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Post by FromHell on Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:12 am

@Uli wrote:Yay, I see, you're right, maybe it's time to forget about Axl's old recordings and look forward to any new stuff from the three GPs (plus new band "members").

Still, I'm interested in the UMG/Vivendi situation.

The name "Uli" is mostly an abbreviation of a longer name, for some though it is their full name (lazy parents, I guess). Very Happy
The link was what I'd found after googling "Uli" just for the fun of it. I'll find more for you later in the year.

(I love "The Big Lebowski" btw and that scene is hilarious, despite the obvious clichés about Germans.)

Btw, I guess I am one of those who click on this topic again and again after a new post - so the "numbers" are not really trustworthy (or let's say you have to deduct those numbers of users re-clicking after new response).

Ok, so now "we know" about the General Partnership of the "Original Partners". According to you, those are "goods nowhere to be found in Forumland" (be that as it may, I can't tell, as my personal view of "Forumland" is rather limited to only very few sites).
Still, I'm not sure what to make of it. Does it "help" us in any way? Ok, maybe we can make more sense of what has been said in various interviews, but ... on the whole: does it change anything for us as GNR "fans"?

“[D]oes it change anything for us as GNR ‘fans’?”

Is that a trick question?

Forget about the financial desperation and irrelevance (at best) prompting the singer to make a prudent biz move—his first of which I am aware—the moment that he began voting with the other two general partners changed everything. The unleashing of Original Gn’R assets—synch, licensing, and Gn’R marks (“merch”) and copyrights is enormous bank. The gate alone places NITL squarely at, or very near, the top of highest grossing in history. What, a half of a billion? That’s a long way from a solo band playing (bad) AFD covers at Brooklyn Bowl. The AFD boxset. The recording of new music. The upcoming release of new music. More scheduled touring.

Required partner conduct—treating customers with respect, on-time (and even early) to the stage night in and out, not engaging in conduct exposing the other partners to liability, not incurring losses to the partnership through intentional misconduct, division of loss, no rants, bullying or other embarrassing conduct resulting in damages to the partnership and its brand, no cancelled shows caused by intentional misconduct, no grossly negligent or criminal behavior—restored goodwill and value to the brand. Paying customers, promoters, insurers, venues, venue employees, unionized crews, the award-winning production and tour manager et al can now do business with/for this GP and purchase its entertainment services with trust and reliability.

And let us not forget that the three partners voted to do it the right way from the jump: to reunite not just the Remaining, Original partners but to include the two other original partners. An actual reunion to tour, arguably, the baddest rn’r album in history. Greed and injury resulted in a far different service at the Troubadour and thereafter, true.

By all measures, the GnR GP needs a convoy of Brink’s trucks to transport its loot. And it has new material to release, to boot. And a scheduled tour. That’s verifiable, real-world shit—cause and effect. But why do I not think that is what you meant by your question? Or, maybe, I don't understand the question?
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Post by FromHell on Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:17 am

@Uli wrote:Yay, I see, you're right, maybe it's time to forget about Axl's old recordings and look forward to any new stuff from the three GPs (plus new band "members").

Still, I'm interested in the UMG/Vivendi situation.

The name "Uli" is mostly an abbreviation of a longer name, for some though it is their full name (lazy parents, I guess). Very Happy
The link was what I'd found after googling "Uli" just for the fun of it. I'll find more for you later in the year.

(I love "The Big Lebowski" btw and that scene is hilarious, despite the obvious clichés about Germans.)

Btw, I guess I am one of those who click on this topic again and again after a new post - so the "numbers" are not really trustworthy (or let's say you have to deduct those numbers of users re-clicking after new response).

Ok, so now "we know" about the General Partnership of the "Original Partners". According to you, those are "goods nowhere to be found in Forumland" (be that as it may, I can't tell, as my personal view of "Forumland" is rather limited to only very few sites).
Still, I'm not sure what to make of it. Does it "help" us in any way? Ok, maybe we can make more sense of what has been said in various interviews, but ... on the whole: does it change anything for us as GNR "fans"?


How does it change (affect) ForumLanders, you mean?  Answer #2:

There are users with thousands of posts, and some (that I’ve seen with my own eyes) over 10,000 posts.  Withholding obvious judgment to be had, I git it.  There is a cluster of highly suggestible people who began reading ForumLand self-serving fairy tales (and the vacuous “media”) upwards of 15-20 years ago and, in turn, began regurgitating said propaganda.  Heaven’s Gate was real.  So, too, were the Branch Davidians.  And many others.  Just as you might view NXIVM, I view ForumLand (minus the forced labor and sex slaves).  Or did, anyhow.

Thank me later for de-bullshitting and de-mything ForumLand.  And the best part of it?  I explain basic concepts (complex, perhaps, to others), then support them with facts within the public domain—in statutes, legal averments, causes of action, complaints and answers, and the like.  I receive zero pecuniary benefit for doing so.  But I do get the satisfaction of banishing the self-admitted bullshit artists preying upon the uneducated and those with American language skills that are but a notch above one partner’s bully live-ins.  I get the satisfaction of boxing in the final, remaining censors who push myth (and imply “insider power” to themselves) all for a handful of dimes from penny adverts while they keep their subjects bowing, praying and in lockstep for a scrap tossed beneath the table.

There is, as stated, no shortage of intelligent people in ForumLand.  When is the last (or any) time that you’ve heard that from the myth-peddlers or power-player wannabes feeding you what they want you to “know” or think you should “hear?”  Directed to irrefutable fact in the public domain that is explained in such a way as to give them insight, how can the intelligent be stopped regardless of American language skills?  They cannot.

Much has changed throughout ForumLand as a result of my posts.

Examples, you may ask, that have changed ForumLand and already run off the fetid few and boxed in the remaining censoring panderers acting as proxies.  Who is original Gn’R and why is that a legal fact?  What is the Gn’R GP?  Who owns Gn’R assets?  Why would the singer, his proxies and a debauched few in ForumLand groom readers to believe that his solo band and solo record was anything but a solo band/record distinct from Original Gn’R when it is irrefutable fact?  Who manages Slash?  Who manages DMoney?  Who is Ms. Warner?  Who employs her?  What is a partnership agreement?  Which RUPA mandatory rules govern inconsistent PA language, if any?  What about RUPA default rules where the PA is silent?  What is a service mark?  How does a service mark differentiate from a trademark, and how is it that Slash, Duff Markets, and Piano Man now own said service mark?  When TeamBully flaunts money and taunts, from whose pockets did that ‘entitled’ money originate?  What are master rights and how do they end this NXIVM groupthink about scraps, if any?  What are gag orders and NDAs and why is that Slash is the defacto Gn’R spox?  What are advances and why are the recoupable?  What is the DCMA and how to distinguish bootlegging from copyright violations?  Shall I go on?

I could go on for not quite literally days, as I’m sure that you’ll agree by now.  Let’s just have a look-see at the last in the list.  ForumLanders shouldn’t be publishing manipulated a/v footage from concerts with an expectation that it cannot and will not be censored.  ‘Everyone does it,’ I guess, is the argument.  And ‘the GP or label’ can just advertise against it.  These people have spent, presumably, many hours splicing and dicing the a/v files to make the band look and sound its best.  All good and well, and true, even.  They then turn to ForumLand seeking answers following censorship.  Notwithstanding turning to censors re censoring questions is definitional ironic, are they directed to DMCA, informed that the person(s) filming the live performance is the copyright holder(s)?  Are they informed that they, by their splicing and dicing of said a/v files are the copyright holder(s) of the final product?  Does anyone, anywhere, mention that it is an absurdity to state that they are violating copyright law when they, are in fact, the copyright holder?  Does anyone, anywhere, say, that this is bootlegging without commercial gain and that is how a bootlegger should frame an appeal?  That the payola Vivendi/UMG paid for the cranes, cameras and operators on NITL?  No, instead the censoring svengali’s pretend power:

uli—six of one is half a dozen of the other.  negotiations are at pitched fever at the top levels behind the scenes.  this shit is sensitive, but what i can tell you now is that i have a thumb drive.  its got zeros and ones on it.  zeros and ones are in the singer’s live-ins phone number.  when this particular thumb drive is longer than the zeros and ones are heavy, i will release it.

Err, wait, I sent him packing via trike to the buffet a few years ago.  Allow me to try again?

@Uli.  This is disgusting and reprehensible.  An outrage, frankly.  I have assembled the top minds in canada (if that is an actual place) to git to the bottom of this unacceptable, immoral and outrageous “take-down” behavior.  Did I mention that it is outrageous?  And criminal, even.  And, I don’t even know what the Hell I’m talking about, but this is unacceptable and I expect Del (if that is an actual name) to toss me a gnawed-upon bone in the coming months.  There are threats from one of the live-in’s proxies.  Threats to families.  To children.  To house pets.  To the weak and infirm.  And, umm, to actual people.  I have the threats (did I mention that these are outrageous) on a thumb drive.  I cannot and will NOT tolerate threats.  The best and brightest canadians (if that is actual place) are on top of this.  We will NOT sleep (excepting my deranged obsession with American politics even though I ain’t American) until the perpetrators of this OUTRAGEOUS conduct are brought to justice.

Six months later…

In any event, it says that you’re turning 50 when I logged-in.  Congrats on the first 50, and all the best for the next 50.  Ladies, beware.
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Post by Uli on Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:30 am

Yes, thank you, my b-day is tomorrow, so not just arrived there yet. Very Happy

Thank you also for the explanation. IF much has changed in Forumland, I'm sure it was worth the effort.
For myself: I certainly learned a lot about GP and what effect this does have on GNR (and had in the past).

Well I certainly hope someone (anyone, Canadian or not) can stop the unnecessary "taking down" of fan-made videos. Of course, any kind of threat(s) is even more unnecessary and un-wanted.

This is a long topic now and some posts are really difficult to fathom (for me at least), but I guess in the end, one can come to an understanding of it all. Thanks for all your efforts.

Let's hope one day they'll manage to bring on Adler and Izzy to the same stage (for a few songs or a whole show).

New music would be much appreciated of course. Cool
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Post by FromHell on Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:41 am

Rumor has it that Nevada twice this fall is now within the public domain.

Dayum.  Git dem tix whiles dey cheap uns.

And, not incidentally, a-4-d.com lit this as if it were luminol on Bundy Drive.  Weeks in advance.  Scroll up.

Confident I am that @blackstar can pin who beat whom to publish one Mr. Stradlin’s appearances.  Ties favor the inimitable Mr. Niven.  He is the original Boss, no questions asked.

The only question, then, becomes whether Mr. Niven or @FromHell styled it better.  Biased though I may be, I hit it n’ quit it without repetitive (perhaps, obvious) gambling, couch and cash metaphors.  But Vegas is indeed a shithole tourist trap for non-Americans and the tackiest of Americans, true dat.

“Well, Hell’s bells, Margaret.”

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Post by FromHell on Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:28 am

@FromHell wrote:Rumor has it that Nevada twice this fall is now within the public domain.

Dayum.  Git dem tix whiles dey cheap uns.

And, not incidentally, a-4-d.com lit this as if it were luminol on Bundy Drive.  Weeks in advance.  Scroll up.

Confident I am that @blackstar can pin who beat whom to publish one Mr. Stradlin’s appearances.  Ties favor the inimitable Mr. Niven.  He is the original Boss, no questions asked.

The only question, then, becomes whether Mr. Niven or @FromHell styled it better.  Biased though I may be, I hit it n’ quit it without repetitive (perhaps, obvious) gambling, couch and cash metaphors.  But Vegas is indeed a shithole tourist trap for non-Americans and the tackiest of Americans, true dat.

“Well, Hell’s bells, Margaret.”




Satire of ForumLand?  One wonders.  NXIVM cultists retrenched in Brooklyn last year despite the cascading indictments.  The best part of that story is that it’s true.

You be the judge.  I declared, supra, a day or so in advance of the feigned, socialist (hands out) outrage re the now-published Nevada entertainment service prices.  

I’ve full confidence that the crack archivist @blackstar can ably track what’s what in the world of publishing.  Then again, she’d need to account for the time difference between America and europe (if that is an actual place).

The not inconsiderable problem with the red herring of pricing (and the first to comment thereupon), though, is whether anyone, anywhere, has accounted for one Mr. Izzy Stradlin.  Beyond Mr. Niven, naturally.  Which is the crux of the post quoted above.

Am I right, or am I right?

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Post by ubique on Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:09 pm

I landed on this forum following some new drama on another... so far I have only visited the archive section (it's an amazing resource, btw, thanks to @soulmonster and @blackstar). And what do I find? My post quoted within a thread that is really hard to follow and has, on the surface, nothing to do with what brought me here. It was a challenge to go through it all, but I've made it and I appreciate the tidbits you revealed here and there. But seriously, you sure are egocentric thinking that anything relating to the PA (or GP) must have come from your info. Copies of the PA surfaced ages ago, way before 2016 and the reunion, when A vs S feud was still hot, on MSL's forum and gnrevo - that's where I got them initially, but I can't be arsed now to go and check what parts of the discussion went on which forum. I don't remember reading a single post of yours anywhere - reading through them here makes me sure I would have recognized them, lol. I remeber @snooze72 being a knowledgable source on other forums, even back then, but you? or urchin? Not really. I'm not on the forums so much so I must have missed the time when you were active. Why would you think I copied your posts or any facts within? It really isn't rocket science to figure out, based on the wording of the PA amendment, that Axl had to quit the partnership to get the rights to the name. The current agreements have to have mended that in some way and that's the only inference I'm making, having no knowledge on what really went on and close to no knowledge of the legalities of PAs, etc. Please stop accusing others of plagiarism just because you know more than they do. You don't own the facts, and other people can reach them in their own ways.
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Post by Blackstar on Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:22 pm

Thanks, @ubique.
And welcome (back).
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Post by FromHell on Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:13 am

@ubique wrote:I landed on this forum following some new drama on another... so far I have only visited the archive section (it's an amazing resource, btw, thanks to @soulmonster and @blackstar). And what do I find? My post quoted within a thread that is really hard to follow and has, on the surface, nothing to do with what brought me here. It was a challenge to go through it all, but I've made it and I appreciate the tidbits you revealed here and there. But seriously, you sure are egocentric thinking that anything relating to the PA (or GP) must have come from your info. Copies of the PA surfaced ages ago, way before 2016 and the reunion, when A vs S feud was still hot, on MSL's forum and gnrevo - that's where I got them initially, but I can't be arsed now to go and check what parts of the discussion went on which forum. I don't remember reading a single post of yours anywhere - reading through them here makes me sure I would have recognized them, lol. I remeber @snooze72 being a knowledgable source on other forums, even back then, but you? or urchin? Not really. I'm not on the forums so much so I must have missed the time when you were active. Why would you think I copied your posts or any facts within? It really isn't rocket science to figure out, based on the wording of the PA amendment, that Axl had to quit the partnership to get the rights to the name. The current agreements have to have mended that in some way and that's the only inference I'm making, having no knowledge on what really went on and close to no knowledge of the legalities of PAs, etc. Please stop accusing others of plagiarism just because you know more than they do. You don't own the facts, and other people can reach them in their own ways.





@FromHell wrote:Ripping through this thread (had to reread the whole damn thing) you—the reader—will find nowhere else excepting plagiarists and wannabes:

Revelation/Mr. Varner manages Slash;
Mr. Klein manages Dough Mounts (and his daughter);
Piano Man manages himself while his live-ins, TeamBully, spend and flaunt y-o-u-r money;
Universal Recordings owns Piano Man’s remaining recordings, if any, from his solo band because it paid for them and thus owns Master Rights;
Rodney King’s pupils were less dilated than Piano Man’s in the south-of-American, scripted interview with Duff Money re one Mr. Izzy Stradlin;
The Memphis Mafia at least spoke literate American while doling out “prescription” drugs to one Mr. Presley;
Angie Warner managed the NITL tour and won an industry award for such;
Slash, Duff Money and Piano Man are General Partners;
Slash’s draw from the general partnership in 2017 alone neared $45 million;
RUPA’s default rules govern the Gn’R GP where the PA is silent;
Slash and Duff Markets owned Piano Man for two decades as majority Partners re the back catalogue/Brink’s truck prior to Piano Man crawling back, err, directing his goldbricking, ‘dreamer’ live-in for Slash’s number;
All three LIVE trade and service marks are OWNED by the three Remaining, Original Partners, including the service mark GUNS N’ ROSES;
Slash is the de facto spox for the GP, with Duff Monetizes following as a close second;
The World’s Most Silenced Singer heeds the direction of Slash, Duff Money and LiveNation and has directed TeamBully to stfu;
Slash and Dirty Money authorize published interviews about the GP month-in and month-out;
A “gag order” is judge-issued, typically in a criminal proceeding; a “non-disclosure agreement” is an absurdity in a GP and evidenced by the lay’s access to interview after interview of Slash and DMoney yack, yack, yacking seemingly on a weekly basis;
Slash filed for divorce prior to NITL, thus all earnings thereafter are NOT marital property;
Individuals filming a/v of concerts own the copyright to said material and, as such, manipulators of said a/v files creating spliced compilations on YT own the copyright to said material;
Neither of the above is DMCA-related as it involves bootlegging, not copyrighting;
Neither Slash nor DMoney have any incentive to compel the wiping of YT channels;
Slash and Dirty Money’s content is readily available on YT, including their Grammy-winning VR material;
Mygina claimed to be ‘getting to the bottom’ of the DMCA pseudo-wiping;
Mygina failed to report what exactly occurred at “the bottom” of the DMCA pseudo-wiping;
Included in Slash’s $45 million income in 2017 are advances paid by Universal Recordings;
Said advances are recoupables;
The inimitable Mr. Niven and yours truly have stated, weeks in advance, that Gn’R recordings of the three Remaining, Original Gn’R partners exist;
Said published statements occurred weeks in advance of the UCR (if that is an actual name) 'article' of a radio interview with Slash apparently occurring in Michigan last week;
The contrived planting of ‘Slash’s amp at the singer’s house’ has been detailed in this very thread;
Slash—the de facto spox—has spoken about the long-since completed recordings at-length since last summer but because of Piano Man’s resoundingly failed litigious nature and all-around assholery, including burning every possible bridge within Vivendi/UMG, release was never guaranteed;
One Mr. Izzy Stradlin sold his stake in the GP nearing 30 years ago, prescient, yes, particularly given that he was the chief songwriter and given that, under RUPA, the UPA aggregate rules continue to be the order of the day re unlimited personal liability;
Mr. Stradlin leveraged himself out in late-2015 when he had little (beyond morality) as he’d sold his stake;
Duff Markets continues to propagandize in recent interviews re Mr. Stradlin, specifically with one Andrew Magnotta;
Mr. Stradlin called “bullshit” and “loot” for what it is on his songs, and published “F.P. Money” as only his indirect temperament permits;
Mr. Stradlin is set to go this fall;
Duff Markets, Mr. H.R. Man, courier that he is, told the swing and groove of Gn’R that he was out after said groove injured his back;
Mr. Adler ripped through his songs in “guest” appearances, those “guest” appearances were the most engaged that summer and since;
Messrs. Adler and Stradlin have been eerily silent in the build-up to this fall.


A 28 year-old MOU to a partnership agreement informs the ubiquity of this thread, you say?  Or are you claiming that the "tidbits" in the present thread were known to you and understood by you because you read a now 28 year-old MOU years ago?  Or both?  Go on.

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Post by Soulmonster on Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:08 am

@ubique wrote:I landed on this forum following some new drama on another... so far I have only visited the archive section (it's an amazing resource, btw, thanks to @soulmonster and @blackstar).

Thank you Smile

The history section is just about to receive a major overhaul. I have been working on it behind the scenes, so to speak. And I am sure that as soon as I start working on the 1993 history, Blackstar will add lots of new articles and interviews Smile
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Post by FromHell on Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:41 am

@Soulmonster wrote:
@ubique wrote:I landed on this forum following some new drama on another... so far I have only visited the archive section (it's an amazing resource, btw, thanks to @soulmonster and @blackstar).


Thank you Smile

The history section is just about to receive a major overhaul. I have been working on it behind the scenes, so to speak. And I am sure that as soon as I start working on the 1993 history, Blackstar will add lots of new articles and interviews Smile

Understated, perhaps. You’ve curated a virtual card catalogue of all things Gn’R-related.
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Post by FromHell on Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:58 pm

Rumor has it that the noose of knowledge tightens.  See the thread by @soulmonster re “Raz Cue.”

We’ve got Rached opening with references to both a “cesspool” and the “singer” in a tidy, all-in-one swatdown?  And here I thought that I’d marked by trade those two descriptors in this very thread (and elsewhere in a debauched corner of ForumLand), and ad nauseum, to boot.

And that’s before we git to the body of the beatdown, peppered with #metoo and Mr. President Trump opening all ‘how-do-you-do’s’ and negotiations with a swift kick to the crotch.  Punk, indeed.

As Rached steps out, (co)incidentally, Twitterverse ripens.  And here I thought that I was on sabbatical.  

There remain a few cool, crafty cats (scroll up) that track as Lewis n’ Clark.  Beyond the Vivendi/UMG proprietary protections re the cranes, operators and film that it financed, there apparently is indeed a (forgotten) Cuffy proxy parading about and thieving concepts in the present thread re bootlegging v. copyrighting.  Credit to @justanurchin (he is indeed alive and well) for HazMatting this cesspool of polecat stench.

For precision purposes, I indeed recall (after priming from @justanurchin on DMs pixelated in this very thread) a semi-literate nuisance (assumed I did that it was Cabana Boy) as I sent Care Bear packing to the buffet a few years back.  Presumptively, I progressed as if all were non-Americans—frenchies and south-of Americans.

This is, apparently, not the whole nine.  It appears that (beyond Vivendi/UMG) there is an A-m-e-r-i-c-a-n Cuffy proxy reveling in pretend power re censorship of YT channels of copyrighted bootlegs with accompanying harassment (er, doxxing as it were).

If the allegations are indeed true, Title 18 of the United States Code—specifically § 1030—becomes of interest.  Care Bear himself was introduced to said statute some three years ago before scurrying beneath the fetid dumpster never to be heard from again.  And that’s before we have a look-see at specific state statutes re harassment and stalking.

Curious I am about the matter.  Has an American been harassed (unwanted, repeated contact including at the workplace) in conjunction with YT channel censorship and said censorship arose under false pretenses by another (known) American?  I’ve confidence that @soulmonster can and will vet fact-specific DMs about the matter.
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Post by FromHell on Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:54 am

The Hell, ForumLand?  Rached Zaouk going straight-up commando—balls flapping about in the breeze all will-nilly?  Pornographic, almost.  Any invocation of Mr. President Trump, on its face, is assuredly so, notwithstanding a 3.1 GDP.  And invoking two of my staples re “cesspool” and “singer,” without attribution?  Downright blasphemous.

Late rumor has it, no less, that a hustling hussy is tight-roping Cali criminal SoL and exceptions thereupon, including recent, reactionary legislation courtesy of rapey Cosby, re a rapey singer who, incidentally, has a dog-fall of arrests and depositions on said violent and rapey conduct.  And who says that assaulting the effeminate Hilfiger and childlike Stump Stephenson ain’t as bold and manly as terrorizing Everly and Seymour?  Odds favor Everly and Seymour over Hilfiger and Stephenson in the octagon.  Am I right, or am I right?

The question, then, becomes who in ForumLand can assuage the cacophony?  Who’s your daddy?  ForumLand is out of sorts.  The twin tails of Hale-Bopp must be realigned.

“It all seems so confusing.”  Ain’t that the recent censored language (and BANNED registrant) elsewhere in ForumLand tucked within a post re the separate management entities of Slash, DMoney, and Piano Man?  Or do my eyes deceive me?  Nothing for nothing, but I’d hate to see a screencap of 20/20 investigatory whatnot spanning the last year or thereabouts appearing in this very thread.  “I’m no expert,” as it were.  

Wake me when Piano Man’s Cabana Boy gits on IG flaunting y-o-u-r money again.  Or when Ralphie Truth Censoring Bro has lifted, and conformed his language, from and to this very thread beyond ad nauseum.

And, incidentally, let us not forget the outstanding matter (beyond UMGs legit DMCA claims) re the alleged harassment of those who’ve spliced n’ diced copyrighted bootlegged videos and posted such on their YT channels only to find that it’s been fraudulently censored by a goldbricking layabout of ThugsBrazil.  As a gentle reminder, @soulmonster is your POC on the matter and any YT’er whose channel has been censored must be American and, additionally, any harassment of said YT’er must be at the hands (mouth or fingers) of an American.

Got it?  Good.
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Post by FromHell on Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:45 pm

@JustanUrchin wrote:
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I think that perhaps it's a matter of attribution rather than plagiarism—not that the two can be distinguished—but it's not a concern of mine.  I can see why, though, @FromHell rails against it.  It is as obvious, as he says, of Martin King's plagiarism.
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A generous distinction between copyright theft and copyright theft.  Call it what you will.
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Post by Blackstar on Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:27 am

Again:

Attacks to other forums and their admins are not encouraged here.

Respect it.
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Post by FromHell on Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:57 am

@JustanUrchin wrote:

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Regarding your assumptions, D.C., Brooklyn and Pennsylvania are three distinct locales.  Each is eyes-on IP accessible, intentionally.

...



The revelatory Mr. Urchin.

Brooklyn.  And other States.

September 27, 2018.

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Post by Soulmonster on Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:02 am

@JustanUrchin wrote:An adminstratively suspended member of the bar, a reformed used car peddler carrying the message as a lackey (what happened to the singer and AC/DC and the "contracts" for two general partners?) and a misdirecting non--though entertaining--poet walk into a bar.

I kid. Sort of.

And what do we have?  Three @FromHell groupies jockeying for position while riling a few hundred frothy-mouthed cultists.  Months late and a dollar short, and from beneath the apparent blanket of security.  Comfy it is, for now.

Read up into this thread.  

UMG owns the master rights to the singer's table scraps.

The singer and his nanny--and the nanny's kid--have now the same authority as the last two decades to "release" his solo band's table scraps:  none.

The "best" of the singer's solo band was forced into the market more than a decade ago.

I'd hate to see anyone get sent up for distributing unreleased copyright material, regardless if it is insufferable demo table scraps.

The "new" S/D/A recordings were disclosed in this very thread months ago.

Odd goings-on with one of the forums of late. Is it up?  Is it down?  One wonders the cause.  One likewise wonders if a biz with valuation at roughly $12-$15k supported by penny ad revenue can withstand even the discovery phase of a privacy filing.

For those following this thread for non-nefarious purposes, the upcoming months will find you with new tunes released by UMG on your playlist.

I even hear tell we'll have 4/5 again this fall. A different sort of 4/5.  @FromHell

Give us one good reason to believe you possess inside knowledge, otherwise we would have to ask you to stop spreading rumours.

And don't refer to Beta as a "nanny". That was a long time ago, just like I shouldn't refer to you as a "little child". Last I heard, Beta was a manager at Team Brazil. And don't mistake this as me defending her against criticism, I just don't like people putting others down because of their past jobs and would like to foster a more civil and mature environment for discussions.
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Post by Soulmonster on Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:56 am

@JustanUrchin wrote:Is "Team Brazil" a registered entity?  If so, in what jurisdiction?  Does it even have a registered domain?  Or perhaps even a shingle out in a physical location?

Name one degree, certificate or industry standard that this live-in or her kid has attained or met--or even attempted to attain.  Name one professional within the industry who acknowledges these two--and the live-in "accountant"--as peers, or even employed as business managers. Name one biz entity that either of these two/three formed, filed and facilitate.  Name one contract--or even one engagement--that this momma-son has negotiated or influenced.  Name one legally recognized biz that these two operate.

You don't need to have a registered business entity to work as a manager, nor does that work necessarily require degrees or certificates (there are plenty of managers who have worked their way up from humble means without any formal education). But I wasn't inviting a discussion on whether Team Brazil is qualified for the work, what I was saying is that I expect people on this forum to treat others with respect, including Beta, and it means that referring to her as a "nanny" is not okay. Okay?
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