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Re: Notes

Post by Soulmonster on Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:29 am

@Blackstar wrote:
@Soulmonster wrote:Kent would also write that Axl had insisted on the 'Use Your Illusion' albums being so long, had insisted that Skid Row should open on their tour (despite band members despising them), calling for the resignation of Alan Niven, and what music would be played over the PA before the shows [VOX, October 1991].

http://www.a-4-d.com/t2847p120-the-history-of-guns-n-roses-in-their-own-words#13506

I'd guess that it was Izzy who didn't like Bach, as Slash and Duff were partying with him, then he played on Duff's solo album etc. Same probably goes for the records being long, as Slash said many times that he was into the idea of "cleaning the closet" and release everything they had at once.

You are really paying attention to my work, thanks! You make good points, I will revise and include.
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Re: Notes

Post by Blackstar on Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:51 am

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@Blackstar wrote:Kent interviewed Izzy for the Vox backstage at the Shoreline Amphitheatre (July 19), right? Izzy says "about one and a half year ago" so it could have been December 1989.


Yes, you are right. But for some reason I thought he cleaned up months after the gigs with the Stones. Which again would indicate that it happened after Christmas.

I don't remember the article where I read it, but the words "clean" and "sober" were relative in GnR when used in public. They basically meant clean from heroin (i.e. not being a heroin addict anymore) not from substances in general - and maybe even not from occasional use of heroin.
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Post by Blackstar on Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:59 pm

@Soulmonster wrote:
@Blackstar wrote:
@Soulmonster wrote:Kent would also write that Axl had insisted on the 'Use Your Illusion' albums being so long, had insisted that Skid Row should open on their tour (despite band members despising them), calling for the resignation of Alan Niven, and what music would be played over the PA before the shows [VOX, October 1991].
http://www.a-4-d.com/t2847p120-the-history-of-guns-n-roses-in-their-own-words#13506

I'd guess that it was Izzy who didn't like Bach, as Slash and Duff were partying with him, then he played on Duff's solo album etc. Same probably goes for the records being long, as Slash said many times that he was into the idea of "cleaning the closet" and release everything they had at once.

You are really paying attention to my work, thanks! You make good points, I will revise and include.

Slash quotes about releasing all the material they had:

Rolling Stone, January 1991:

"Well, this is like cleaning out the closet. There’s a ton of material we want to get out, and the problem is, how does one release all of it? You don’t make some kid go out and buy a record for seventy dollars if it’s your second record. We’re trying to think of a way to distribute the material where each of the four discs of material can be separated, so you can buy the whole thing or you can buy just one. But since it’s not released yet, nothing is etched in stone. It might change, and I don’t want to mislead anybody. I know the thing that it’s not going to be is one big boxed set, where you have to buy the entire thing or nothing. I can tell you that much."

Melody Maker, August 1991:

"Everything has been really f***ing hush hush and no one knows what the f*** we're doing," explains Slash "The album is pretty extensive. There's 26 songs and we've gone into everything - we covered the whole band's career. It stretches back to even before the band was formed, songs that were sort of... let's say ideas. So we've just cleaned the date, y'know?

[...]

"[...] we've gone through a lot of shit since we got successful but we managed to stay together and we wrote a lot of material and it's very emotional, it's very heartfelt, it's all f***ing dead-on real, d'you know what I mean? It's experiences and so on. So... I dunno, we just had all this material that covered all this crap that we went through and we wanted to release it. Y'know, just f*** the standards, y'know, all that. And the only reason it's a double record and it's separated is because there's a lotta Guns fans and they're loyal because there's a certain wavelength that we're on and the public that we play for understand it because a lot of people go through this shit, okay?

"I mean, everything isn't peaches and cream, everybody has a hard time and life is difficult and, y'know, you work through it and so what we do as a band is write and play and people seem to relate to it. Okay, so there's no way you're gonna put out a $30 f***ing record. C'mon, y'know! But we did wanna release it, so we separated 'em. There's two records. You can buy one. If you get off on it then you can try the other one."


Slash's autobiography:

BACK AT THE STUDIO, WE HAD THIRTY- six songs, which was more than enough to fill a double album. I wanted to choose the twelve best of the thirty-six and hone them down to perfection, but I let it go because as long as were moving forward, I was happy. Axl wanted to record all thirty-six and go the double-album route. He didn’t want to sit on these tunes. I understood that: many of them were old by this point—they’d been held over from our last album, and some were even older. Also, there was a whole bunch of new songs that represented where we were at that moment in time. It might be retrospect talking, but the general consensus was that we were cleaning the slate, getting out everything we had. As a whole, these songs were representative of something important: the band’s past and present. It had been such an incredible journey and the only way to express it was all in this body of material.
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Post by Blackstar on Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:37 am

From Slash's autobiography about touring with Skid Row:
While the records were packaged for release, we went on to do the other shows with Skid Row opening—you can imagine the degree of debauchery Matt, Duff, Sebastian Bach, and I got into. Sebastian was totally enthusiastic and totally green; we’d done it all before but we did it all again with Sebastian. That leg of the tour through the States to Europe was debauched and sick and took hedonism to a new level. It was way too much fun because Skid Row was blowing up at that point and was as young and hungry as we’d been with Mötley.

Sebastian Back mentions in his autobiography an encounter with one of Izzy's brothers at the first Alpine Valley show:

I had an eight ball of potent, high-powered cocaine that night. When we were done with our set, I dug in and the party was on. Duff McKagan invited me to sit under the stage next to his bass rig and watch the show from there. I crouched under the awning, and was actually sitting cross-legged, so the crowd wouldn’t see me. I chopped up lines of coke, on a handheld mirror, as Duff would run over between songs to take snorts of blow off the mirror.

The crowd went wild.

I was guzzling Jack Daniel’s. Duff was hammering Vodka and Cranberrys the whole show, while snorting blow at the same time. It was already becoming a crazy evening and we hadn’t even got backstage yet.

All of a sudden some guy I don’t know staggers up to me. He’s obviously drunk, like everyone else. He crouches down, to my level, and leans into my face.

“Hey! Sebastian Bach!! Is that you?” the man slurs.

I go, “Yeah. What’s happening??”

“Because you’re a fucking faggot. You’re a pretty-boy faggot!!!! You know that, right? Fag boy?”

And with that, as he uttered the words, spitting into my face at the same time, I stood up, cocked back my arm, and punched this motherfucker right in the face. As hard as I could.

I always chuckle when people think that they can come up to me and talk to me in this way. Maybe because I was sitting down, he didn’t realize that I am in fact six foot four, as well as way drunker and higher than he was anyway. I had no idea who he was. He went flying, from the backstage area, straight onto the side of the stage. He was lying on his back as the security guard John Reese picked him up and took him out of harm’s way. Out of my way.

I sat back down and chopped out some more lines.

Near the end of the show, the same security guards that hauled off this drunken dude picked me up, by the scruff of my neck. From the side of the stage, they took me off to a remote backstage room. One guard on each of my arms. I was saying, “What the fuck??” the whole time.

“What’s going on?”

I could not understand why I was in trouble. After all, if some guy called me a pretty-boy faggot, it was my sworn rock ’n’ roll duty to punch him in the nose. I should be receiving a round of applause, not being reprimanded. For this? There was just one problem. This guy wasn’t just some dude.

The guy that I had punched, in the face, turned out to be Izzy Stradlin’s brother.

Izzy Stradlin.

I had punched out the guitar player for Guns N’ Roses’ brother, on the first night of our tour opening for Guns N’ Roses.

Not a good way to start the tour. Not exactly a wonderful way for an opening act to ingratiate themselves to the headliner.

I was in some seriously deep shit. Here I was, again, being held up to the wall by security guards. Much as I was on the Bon Jovi tour. Only that was at the end of the tour. This was the first night.

Izzy Stradlin entered the room. He was not happy. Followed by GNR manager Doug Goldstein, he addressed me as my arms were pinned to the wall. He had dark black shades on. It was about 1: 00 in the morning.

“Sebastian. Why did you do that?”

“I didn’t know it was your brother, dude. He called me a pretty-boy faggot. He was drunk off his ass.” Then, unexpectedly, he shrugged and said, “I know.”

Izzy didn’t really say much more after that. Doug Goldstein did the talking.

“Well, we really don’t know what to do with you, Sebastian. You’re a loose cannon. We can’t have any more incidents like this, obviously.”

Izzy kind of shuffled around the room. He looked like he had been through stuff like this before. He left.

No more of this kind of shit, okay?” And then everybody split. I went back to my dressing room and chopped out some more lines. The tour had just begun.

Source: Sebastian Bach, 18 and Life on Skid Row, Harper Collins, 2016.
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Post by Blackstar on Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:57 am

Axl talking about sponsorship onstage in Toronto, June 7, 1991:

I wanna talk to you for a minute because I wanna get your opinion on something. And I’m real serious. You know, being a band in our position, you wander about cuz you’re interested in making some more money. And the offers get made and you go, well, you know, I drink the beer. So there’s all this talk of sponsorship. And I was pretty much undecided either way, since I drink Budweiser and I smoke Marlboro, then I couldn’t care less if they want to slap the sticker on you. Until today. I don’t have anything against the companies that sponsor and manage us here, except I’ve got a tattoo on this shoulder. It’s a tattoo of a Thin Lizzy album cover, you know? And since both my father and my stepfather were assholes, Phil Lynott kinda like took the place of dad for me when I was a kid. And I’m watching TV today and I see this Molson commercial with The Boys Are Back In Town on it. I mean, I heard the bassline and shit and I was like, what the fuck is this? And I’ve never been more pissed off and hurt in my life, you know, at least not in a long fucking time that I can think of. Because, I mean, whoever sold that to them, I hope they’re a big motherfucker, cuz if I find them anywhere, I’ll crack their skull. I mean, Phil’s gone. What do you think about our sponsorship? If you’re into it and hey yes, you know, yell “yes”, really loud. If you think it’s, like, selling out, let me hear you yelling “no”. [The crowd is rather yelling “yes”] Let’s put it down right in a ballot box (laughs).
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Post by Soulmonster on Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:38 pm

I regret not starting writing full dates on references. I have started doing it now, though.
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Post by Blackstar on Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:52 am

@Soulmonster wrote:1989-1992 - COLLABORATIONS AND SIDE-BANDS
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Axl also added vocals to Steve Jones' 'I Did You No Wrong' in 1989 [source?].
http://www.a-4-d.com/t2847p90-the-history-of-guns-n-roses-in-their-own-words#12517

A couple of interviews with Steve Jones from 1989 where he talks about the collaboration:
https://tinyurl.com/y4ms4fow

Also an interview with Michael Monroe where he mentions how Axl ended up appearing in his video for the song "Dead, Jail or Rock 'n' Roll."
https://tinyurl.com/y66mntxb
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Post by Soulmonster on Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:32 pm

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