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1991.05.16 - The Ritz, New York, USA

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Post by Soulmonster Sat May 19, 2012 6:22 pm

Date:
May 16, 1991.

Venue:
The Ritz.

Location:
New York, USA.

Setlist:
01. Pretty Tied Up
02. Bad Obsession
03. Right Next Door To Hell
04. Mr. Brownstone
05. Dust N' Bones
06. Live And Let Die
07. Paradise City
08. Civil War
09. You Could Be Mine,
10. Patience
11. Knockin' On Heaven's Door
12. Don't Cry [w/ Shannon Hoon]
13. You Ain't The First [w/ Shannon Hoon]
14. My Michelle
15. Estranged
16. Double Talkin' Jive
17. Sweet Child O' Mine
18. Welcome To The Jungle

Line-up:
Axl Rose (vocals), Izzy Stradlin (rhythm guitarist), Slash (lead guitarist), Duff McKagan (bass), Dizzy Reed (keyboards) and Matt Sorum (drums).

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Post by Soulmonster Tue May 13, 2014 7:30 pm

Review in New York Times, May 18, 1991:

Review/Rock; Guns 'n' Roses Back, in a Not-So-Sneak Preview
By JON PARELES
Published: May 18, 1991

The semi-secret club date, which was once a way for the Rolling Stones, Prince or Bob Dylan to relax and play for dedicated fans, now has its own routines. When Guns 'n' Roses played at the Ritz on Thursday night, in a show announced that afternoon, the anointed rock rebels of the late 1980's brought all the show-business trappings.

A radio station promotional van was parked outside the entrance; music-business people and the press occupied the balcony seats, and on stage, the singer W. Axl Rose had his lyrics spooling by on a Teleprompter. A film crew was shooting the performance, which was a dress rehearsal (complete with costume changes) for the arena tour Guns 'n' Roses starts next week.

But when the house lights went on for applause and sing-alongs, the people crammed onto the dance floor were happy to be video-clip extras. The Los Angeles-based band was back, bare-chested and sweaty, blasting out some of the best-loved riffs and shrieks of the 1980's and finally introducing some new songs.

It was a casually paced show, with long pauses between songs and a sloppy stretch before the encores; at times, Mr. Rose conferred with other band members about what song to perform next. During the 2-hour-15-minute set, Mr. Rose wore, among other things, flowered tights, bicycle shorts, a baseball cap emblazoned N.W.A. (after the rap group), a fishnet T-shirt and even a black marabou-feather jacket. The crowd, many in leather and ripped blue jeans, roared when Mr. Rose did his snake-hipped shimmy or twirled his microphone stand overhead; at one point, it came apart and the heavy base flew across the stage, narrowly missing a crew member.

Guns 'n' Roses has been agonizing over its coming release, the band's first full-length studio recording since its debut album in 1987, "Appetite for Destruction." The music combined the rowdiness of the Rolling Stones, Aerosmith and Led Zeppelin, while Mr. Rose sang about low life, sex, heroin and love; the album sold 12 million copies worldwide while the band's fights and drug problems were widely publicized, making Guns 'n' Roses rock's reigning bad boys. "G. 'n' R. Lies," primarily a compilation of archival material that was released in 1988, sold five million copies. But touring and turmoil within the band -- a new drummer, Matt Sorum (formerly of the Cult), has replaced Steven Adler -- prevented it from completing a follow-up.

From the stage, Mr. Rose announced that Guns 'n' Roses would release 30 new songs simultaneously on two separate albums. Geffen Records has the two albums, titled "Use Your Illusion" I and II, scheduled for release on July 23. "We're touring on a record that hasn't been released because when we were touring in clubs, that's how we started," the guitarist Slash said between songs. Of course, fledgling bands can't fill stadiums during the short summer concert season.

Hearing Guns 'n' Roses on stage could make fans wonder what is holding up the records. The musicians need no remedial work in the studio; Guns 'n' Roses is one of the most capable hard-rock bands now performing, with a savagely efficient rhythm section (Mr. Sorum, Duff McKagan on bass and Izzy Stradlin on rhythm guitar) and a lead guitarist, Slash, whose riffs and solos are thoroughly grounded in the blues. The band also has a gift for slow tempos; its power ballads seem inexorable rather than interminable as they build from strummed guitars to a full-band stomp.

The band's old all-guitar attack has been tempered by the addition of a keyboardist, Dizzy Reed, for the tour; he added honky-tonk or Romantic pomp as the songs required. And Mr. Rose sang in a variety of voices linked only by their deliberate harshness: a dry, nasal tone in "Mr. Brownstone," a cracked, quavery voice for Paul McCartney's "Live and Let Die" and a piercing yowl to carry the endearments of "Sweet Child o' Mine."

Along with "Live and Let Die," the band also performed a second borrowed song about death, Bob Dylan's "Knockin' on Heaven's Door." The band's own new songs are still riff-rockers -- "Bad Obsession," "Right Next Door to Hell" and "You Could Be Mine," a theme song for the coming "Terminator 2 Judgment Day" -- and slow-building anthems, like "Civil War" and "Estranged," in which Mr. Rose sang about anomie with steely calm.

The crowd greeted new songs enthusiastically, but the old ones brought out a joyous frenzy. Clearly, Guns 'n' Roses can count on its fans' loyalty as long as it pounds out riffs like the one in "Welcome to the Jungle," which closed the show by turning the club floor into a slam-dancing melee.

The band returns to the New York area on June 17 at Nassau Coliseum in Uniondale, L.I.
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Post by Blackstar Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:13 pm

From RIP Magazine:

Del James wrote:GN'R Clubbin' It '91 had reached its culmination, and NYC was electric with anticipation. Since Axl had selected one of his favorite up-and-coming bands to open on the West Coast, Slash got to choose one of his, Raging Slab, for the East. Slab smoke! 'Nuff said.

The Ritz crowd went wild as the Gunners ripped into "Pretty Tied Up." It was a breath-stealing show that saw Rose & Co. blast through the new as well as the old. They didn't just storm the stage, they owned it! The set included "Bad Obsession," "Live And Let Die," "Patience," "Knockin' On Heaven's Door," "Mr. Brownstone," "My Michelle," "Estranged," and another new tune titled "You Could Be Mine," which will be used in the movie Terminator 2. Duff successfully stage-dived during "Paradise City," and once again Shannon Hoon joined the band for "Don't Cry." Right before the Gunners final number of the evening, "Welcome To The Jungle," Axl blew my mind dedicating it to yours truly, as well as to the 3rd Street Hell's Angels, a half dozed of who were present. The judges from the balcony gave the NY gig nine and a quarter - pretty damn close to perfection.
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Post by Soulmonster Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:23 pm

From Winnipeg Free Press, May 17, 1991:

1991.05.16 - The Ritz, New York, USA Winnip10

Transcript:

SHOWBITS

Guns' gig poor secret


From staff and the news services

NEW YORK — Guns N' Roses, the rockers who filled stadiums on their last tour, took over a small Manhattan club yesterday for a surprise gig that wasn't much of a surprise.

Axl Rose and the rest of the band were playing at the Ritz in what turned out to be a poorly kept secret. Word of the surprise show, which was officially announced on a local radio station, leaked out early and fans lined the street outside the club waiting for about 2,000 tickets.
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Post by Soulmonster Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:42 am

You know that expression, "Break a leg"? I think I just did [chuckles].
The Ritz, May 16, 1991
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Post by Blackstar Fri Nov 11, 2022 2:35 am

Full show (youtube playlist) from Use Your Illusion Super Deluxe:

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Post by ludurigan Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:53 pm



This footage is brilliant, gorgeous, really fantastic

The edit not so much

This looks like an "Axl edit". Axl is on screen 70% of the time and Slash about 20%.

The top-view/balcony cameras are great for atmosphere but they have been way overused here. The eye-level cameras (similar to MTV's footage of Ritz 1988) are far superior.

The "what is going on in the song" versus "what appears on the screen" rate is not very good.

Izzy and Duff's vocals appear to have been erased from various songs or mixed so low that you don't get hear them

Oh my, oh my
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Post by Blackstar Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:59 pm

ludurigan wrote:
This looks like an "Axl edit". Axl is on screen 70% of the time and Slash about 20%.

The top-view/balcony cameras are great for atmosphere but they have been way overused here. The eye-level cameras (similar to MTV's footage of Ritz 1988) are far superior.

The "what is going on in the song" versus "what appears on the screen" rate is not very good.

Izzy and Duff's vocals appear to have been erased from various songs or mixed so low that you don't get hear them

Oh my, oh my
Did we watch the same show? My impression was that Axl and Slash have about the same screen time.

The background vocals are sometimes low in the mix, yes, but they haven't been erased. And Izzy's guitar is pretty audible.
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Post by Soulmonster Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:00 pm

I have only seen snippets so far but it looks great to me. Did definitely hear the background vocals good on Patience and Izzy's guitar in the intro.
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Post by ludurigan Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:30 pm

Blackstar wrote:Did we watch the same show? My impression was that Axl and Slash have about the same screen time.

The background vocals are sometimes low in the mix, yes, but they haven't been erased. And Izzy's guitar is pretty audible.

I guess we saw the same thing yeah Very Happy

Izzy's guitar really does appears to be more audible than on the audio-only version.

It is pretty audible, I agree

BUT still noticeably lower than Slash.

Slash is on 10 and Izzy is on 5 or 6

I'd say axl has 60% of screen time, slash has 30% and izzy, duff & matt 10%

maybe axl has 55%, slash 35%, izzy, duff, matt 10%

Whatever it is, it is clearly Axl-centric

A fully grown men at 60-plus years old chooses -- or at least approves -- that?

Inn my opinion this goes to show that Axl REALLY believes that HE IS GN'R.

Same goes for Slash who approved this guitar mix

The backing vocals mix?

Now THAT is a mess

I have listened to much more bootlegs than I should and I can tell you one thing: backing vocals do not "fluctuate" during a show

And that's exactly what happens on this show. The volume fluctuates on several songs

In You Could be Mine for example: you can't barely hear Izzy and Duff in some parts at the beginning and in the middle of the song (where they are clearly singing) and then you can hear them much more prominently in the final part of the song

Someone clearly chose this. It is deliberate.

Think about if someone did that to the drums.

Or to Axl's voice?

"Ok, on this part of the song you won't listen to Axl because we choose to put his voice very low in the mix."

Facepalm

You just don't do that
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